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ACORN's involvement in the CENSUS was a major concern for me. The implications were incredibly far reaching. This is very good news indeed.
Friday Night News & Policy Dump, that is.
Administration abandons six-party talks; capitulates to NKorea...
This was a stupid idea when Kerry proposed it...it remains so.
Agrees verification needed to ensure illegals don't receive healthcare benefits...
Hmmm...having to go back and ensure illegals don't receive care must mean Wilson was right; illegal aliens would have received health care under ObamaCare.
Census bureau cuts ties with ACORN...
An entire organization goes under the bus. It may take longer to tuck them under there than it did when he was tossing 'em under there, one person at a time.
Obama Opts for Import Tariffs on Chinese Tires...
This will end well.
Last edited by Yonivore; 09-12-2009 at 10:30 AM. Reason: Title change because, well this isn't the first...
ACORN's involvement in the CENSUS was a major concern for me. The implications were incredibly far reaching. This is very good news indeed.
Same here. It's real scary how bold these fascists are getting.
Great. I don't like the guy but maybe I should get his book...
China slams US tyre tariffs, threatens retaliation
(AFP) – 13 hours ago
BEIJING — Beijing lashed out at the US on Saturday after Washington slapped steep tariffs on imported Chinese tyres, calling the measure "protectionist" and threatening retaliation in China's first trade spat with the Obama administration.
"China is firmly opposed to this measure of serious commercial protectionism by the United States, which not only violates world trade rules but also the undertakings given by the US at the G20," commerce ministry spokesman Yao Jian said in statements posted on the ministry's website.
"In the context of the global economic crisis this sets a very bad example. China reserves the right to retaliate," he said
Not quite abandoning...
same link above...“It's designed to convince North Korea to come back to the six- party process and to take affirmative steps towards denuclearization,” State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said of the decision to meet.
Speaking on background, a senior US official said: “Our assessment, after consulting with the other parties in the six-party process, is that if a bilateral discussion can be an effective mechanism to get North Korea to come back to the six-party process… so that we can remind them of what their obligations are and to push them to take affirmative steps… then that would be a potentially useful step.”
Oh Dan, that would have ruined yoni's headline..
Or, more likely, it was implyed that illegals would not be covered in the original plan, but to keep it from being a talking point by the simpletons, the WH decided to spelll it out word-for-word...Agrees verification needed to ensure illegals don't receive healthcare benefits...
Hmmm...having to go back and ensure illegals don't receive care must mean Wilson was right; illegal aliens would have received health care under ObamaCare.
...thus insuring that minorities will be under-counted in the next census based on political propoganda...An entire organization goes under the bus. It may take longer to tuck them under there than it did when he was tossing 'em under there, one person at time.
I agree. Illegals get care with our without Obamacare on the govt dime. Obama said illegals will not be able to sign up for the public option but they would still receive medical care because of the law...
Publicizing that intent, as a strategy to coerce Il, is as stupid as abandoning the six-party talks. I can envision Kim Jung Il saying..."Hey! Hey! I'm in the room here!"“It's designed to convince North Korea to come back to the six- party process and to take affirmative steps towards denuclearization,” State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said of the decision to meet.
Speaking on background, a senior US official said: “Our assessment, after consulting with the other parties in the six-party process, is that if a bilateral discussion can be an effective mechanism to get North Korea to come back to the six-party process… so that we can remind them of what their obligations are and to push them to take affirmative steps… then that would be a potentially useful step.”
We.are.in.the.best.of.hands.
And, it doesn't change my headline, either. They chose the Friday night dumping ground as the time to release this. A common practice for administrations to use when releasing unpopular or difficult news.
I agree we are in the best of hands.
That's not more likely.
If your plan doesn't include illegal aliens, you say so and you demonstrate how that is true. You don't alter your plan to prevent talking points.
....Yep, we should not put health-care providers in a position of being I.S.S. agents, especially when we are talking about emergency care, expected in any civilized society, or preventive care that benefits the society as a whole - such as shots for measles, TB, or other infectious diseases....
I know you believe that. Unfortunately, this incident doesn't tend to bolster confidence.
If I could analogize. It's like telling the defense how you're going to run a trick play.
That's smart football, eh?
You would rather we put bureaucrats in a position to ration care to U. S. citizens.
Why? That's not a cons uent part of the Democratic party...If your plan doesn't include illegal aliens, you say so and you demonstrate how that is true. You don't alter your plan to prevent talking points.
Why? Because it says your plan included illegal aliens...and, it creates more damning talking points.
Seriously, if Obama believed his plan wouldn't cover illegals, he should have stuck to his guns.
I would rather that those who can afford to pay for their own health-care and are satisfied with their level of service, continue to participate in their own plan, however, those who are denied coverage, their private-coverage fails to pay for coverage they thought they had, people who cannot afford private coverage, and those that get fired and lose their coverage, have preventive coverage so that preventable diseases don't turn into more costly disease maintenance and patient care..
...have you ever shown where it specifically said this?
It didn't have to specifically say it. The facts are, as the Congressional Research Service showed and as the White House now admits. Illegals would be covered by ObamaCare.
Sometimes, omitted language is as significant as what's actually put in a bill.
Well, good job. the white house decided to listen to you and actually change the bill to explicitly exclude illegals.
The bullet points sent tonight by the White House:
* Undo ented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
* Undo ented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
* Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for En lements) which states currently use to make sure that undo ented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
* There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undo ented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undo ented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.
So, the question is do you support it now?
with 99% certainty, probably not. Carry on with the attack politics
Health Reform and Illegal Immigration: The Truth
Saturday 12 September 2009
by: Froma Harrop, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
In their tireless efforts to kill health care reform, right-wingers have fanned fears that it would attract illegal aliens. This sideshow is rather twisted because, actually, the reforms would do the opposite.
They would help curb illegal immigration.
Start with Canada to see how this works. Canadians have universal coverage, a big immigration program and almost no undo ented workers. These things are not unrelated. Government-guaranteed medical care is a big reason why Canada doesn't tolerate illegal immigration. No country can long afford a large subclass of poor workers that pays little in taxes and collects full benefits.
To quote conservative economist Milton Friedman, "It's just obvious that you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."
Here in the United States, the House health-reform bill has an entire section led, "No Federal Payment for Undo ented Aliens."
Furthermore, it requires every worker to have coverage, while denying subsidies to illegal immigrants, whatever their income.
In other words, illegal immigrants would have to obtain health insurance and pay full freight for it. That doesn't sound like a five-course free lunch to me.
Aha, say Republican foes of the legislation. The illegals will get around it. "Without the verification, you can't frankly believe it is serious," says Rep. Lamar Smith, Republican of Texas. Fair point. Let's address it.
As a practical matter, undo ented workers shy away from government programs that could expose their illegal status.
A law passed in 2005 requires applicants to Medicaid, which insures poor people, to prove their citizenship.
Two years later, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform studied Medicaid enrollments in five states (Kansas, Colorado, Minnesota, Washington and Wisconsin). It found only eight illegal immigrants on the rolls.
But, says Georgia Republican Rep. Phil Gingrey, "a lot of their kids are in the school system." That's true. The schools don't check for immigration status. Medicaid does. And so would the health care system now envisioned by Congress.
It's worth noting that President Obama's is the first administration to seriously crack down on illegal immigration in decades. Under its orders, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency has stepped up audits of companies suspected of using illegal labor. Hundreds of offenders have been slapped with stiff fines and warnings to mend their ways.
The administration has just started requiring any company seeking sizeable federal contracts to use the E-Verify system, a database containing Social Security and other records, to ensure that its workers are legal. (First it had to fight off a suit by the Chamber of Commerce and industry groups that use undo ented labor.)
( dubya and Repugs are more "business friendly" and that's why for 6 years in power, the Repugs did nothing about illegal immigration and the businesses that exploit undo ented laborers, including ripping off their wages)
Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat who heads the Senate Immigration Subcommittee, is promoting biometric tools to replace the use of do ents that can be counterfeited or stolen. Biometrics rely on such unique identifiers as fingerprints and the iris of the eye.
We should examine what's really behind the right's argument that universal health coverage would draw more illegal immigrants. It's an assumption that if you keep America's low-wage workers miserable enough, undo ented foreigners won't want to join them.
That's neither nice nor good for the country.
The dirty truth is that the uninsured are not people on welfare or very poor workers. Those groups get covered by Medicaid.
The uninsured are mainly struggling families who make too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford the coverage -- or those rejected by private insurers because of pre-existing medical conditions.
To sum it up, the Democrats' policies are already reining in illegal immigration, and the proposed health care reform would, if anything, contain it further. Those trying to stop reform should look elsewhere for scare tactics.
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So, Yoni, will bother to refute the above?
(oh, and stick that olive branch and peace pigeon up your ass)
No matter what Magik Negro does next year to address illegal immigration, you can bet Repugs and right-wing assholes will try to destroy it, while offering no immigration reform of their own.
Okay, let's do a little thought experiment.
Up until the White House made this statement, today,...
...HR3200 required all person's living in this country -- regardless of legal status -- to have insurance. They could buy their own or they could buy into the Exchanges. And, while it is true that Section 246 specifically prohibited federal funding for affordability credits to illegal aliens; what, precisely, would the government do with illegal aliens, who (under the original language of HR3200) would now be required to purchase insurance, that could not afford it?A White House spokesman, Reid Cherlin, said that the president’s proposals would bar illegal immigrants from purchasing private insurance through the new government marketplace, known as an exchange, and that verification of immigration status would be required for anyone seeking to purchase coverage.
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