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Bogans
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Keith-Bogans-1715/
Height Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 4.25" 6' 5.75" 213 6' 9.25" 8' 5" 8.0 29.5 35.0 10 11.43 3.25 36
Hairston
Height Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 4.25" 6' 5.25" 204 6' 9" 8' 7.5" 6.9 30.5 38.0 13 11.33 3.08 NA
Summary:
Same height.
Hairston longer with a 2" reach advantage
Hairston higher with a 3" max vertical leap advantage
Hairston stronger with 3 more bench presses
Hairston faster with a quicker 3/4 sprint
So what is it with Bogans that makes him a better player? Is it just 'heart'?
Or could it be because of this:
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/4145641 ?
I'm beginning to feel like this is a "Jacque Vaughn"-like signing!!!
Last edited by ceperez; 09-22-2009 at 09:59 PM.
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no telling if tell is any different from tale.
It's moments like these when I wish I had direct contact with the FO.
Except that it is.
Bogans has experience, is a known quan y on defense, and can knock down the three. He's also on a guaranteed contract. I wouldn't put much money on Hairston making the team now. Marcus was smart to pick up those PG skills. They may give him the edge on Hairston.
You might as well delete this thread. The 'Tell' is far too distracting to the topic. But, if at first you don't succeed...
I've got two words for you: Mike Mamula.
Dude had the most ridiculous NFL combine, EVER. His numbers were all off the charts. Can't miss, right? Wrong. One of the biggest stiffs in recent NFL draft history. It's not about workouts or times or measurements. It's about being able to play the sport. Bogans has shown he can. Hairston hasn't, at least not yet.
You think they would tale you ?It's moments like these when I wish I had direct contact with the FO.
If only basketball were about measurements. Patrik O'Bryant would be a beast. Seriously though, its a good comparison - but there are plenty of factors that weigh in favour of Bogans, mainly defending the NBA's best scorer's, and veteran factor which will probably help with calls and leniency from refs...
It would be asking alot of Hairston to be the defensive stopper Pop calls upon when guys like Kobe and Wade are lighting the Spurs up as usual. I dont think he would be the right option for that.
Bogans is what Hairston might become someday. The Spurs are looking to win a championship, not developing players with borderline NBA skills. He might become a good pro, , he might even stick with the Spurs if there's a trade coming up, but currently Bogans helps us much more than either Hairston or Williams.
I really don't think there's a may about it.
Marcus is an RC pick, who also happens to possess a unique skill set that Bogans' addition does nothing to threaten.
I'd actually be somewhat surprised if Marcus wasn't on the roster for the upcoming year; I just hope that Hairston remains in the Spurs' plans and program.
Off seasons scare me!
Well you are right, if Bogans can hit the three with consistency, then there's no need for another similar player... the verdict then is....
SAYONARA MALIK HAIRSTON!
Measurements are all that matters.
Pop loves vets because they are a known commodity. For an inexperienced player to get any minutes with Pop they have to be really outstanding like TP, not a development project. That's just the way he is and the way he coaches.
I didn't think of that exact same player but I had pretty much the same idea when I read the OP.
Bogans is already an NBA player and Hairston is working towards being one. I like Hairston a lot, but with all the money that has been spent this off season I am sure the FO would rather not throw too many chips in at an unproven player. As others have said, there may be more moves brewing. We will know much more after training camp.
Should be a very compe ive October.
The scrimmages could be as compe ive as the pre-season games.
Measurements aren't as important as this thread makes them out to be, but Hairston clearly has better physical tools than Bogans, there's no doubt about that..the only thing Bogans has going for him in this case is experience..that's it..he isn't a better shooter, they both have flaws when it comes to ball-handling and passing..Hairston is a much, much better athlete, and he obviously has less mileage and more hunger at this point..Bogans might be slightly stronger..
Bogans isn't a guy Hairston will be aspiring to become, since Malik should be better than him by the end of this season, at least IMO..
Getting rid of Bogans after acquiring him wouldn't be too difficult, so we'll how what happens in training camp..
Agreed with most posters. Bogan's has already proven himself in the league especially with his stint in Orlando. He's a good defender and shoot the 3 at a reasonable clip. Hairston has not proved much yet though his potential is there.
I think Bogans gets the nod for putting those 1/2 inch insoles in his shoes.
The le was great, but I felt the material was lacking. Beep Beep.
This is all economics.
Bogans gets the minimum salary which apparently is exempt of the luxury tax.
Hairston if signed will be taxed.
Now since Bogans has only a 1 year salary, there's still the possibility of Hairston coming back next year. (That's of course if he sticks it out in the D-league with the Toros).
But it's clear as day, the Spurs get a more experienced player (with less potential) for half price.
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