The Plan

[Wild Cobra]

Obama and the Democrats have a plan for society:






I cannot help but think of the democrats as wanting to recreate our society, but they have to first destroy it.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously?

Cylons?

[Xylus]

What the .

Don't take a beautiful, perfect thing like BSG and use it to bolster your own political agenda.

And I'm being serious about BSG. Possibly the greatest television show ever made.

[Wild Cobra]

What the .

Don't take a beautiful, perfect thing like BSG and use it to bolster your own political agenda.

And I'm being serious about BSG. Possibly the greatest television show ever made.

Yes, an awesome show, and I'll be buying "The Plan" on the 27th.

The Cylon's didn't consider themselves evil, but did what they though was right. I don't think Obama or the democrats are evil either, but they will destroy our way of life, if we allow their plan to take shape.

[boutons_deux]

Serious people have analyzed fringe radical paranoids like WC and other assholes here:

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/143357

[Wild Cobra]

Serious people have analyzed fringe radical paranoids like WC and other assholes here:

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/143357

Yes, anyone who disagrees with the agenda of the left is a radical.

Guilty as charged, at least by your leftist radical opinion.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, anyone who disagrees with the agenda of the left is a radical.

Guilty as charged, at least by your leftist radical opinion.

I don't think Obama or the democrats are evil either, but they will destroy our way of life, if we allow their plan to take shape.

I just figured because what Obama and the democrats wants is fiction, and will destroy the USA as the leading nation, it applied.

I can't imagine why anyone would consider you a radical...

[boutons_deux]

"agenda of the left"

pure paranoid science fiction.

[DarrinS]

"agenda of the left"

pure paranoid science fiction.

If they have no agenda, why the vote them into office?

[101A]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

[DarrinS]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

I think you are right that the truly wealthy stay wealthy, regardless who's in office. However, I do believe that progressives have this childlike, utopian view of the world, and value the power of the state. Conservatives value freedom of the individual.

[RandomGuy]

Seriously?

Cylons?

[spursncowboys]

What the .

Don't take a beautiful, perfect thing like BSG and use it to bolster your own political agenda.

And I'm being serious about BSG. Possibly the greatest television show ever made.

Nothing was better than Herman's Head.

[RandomGuy]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

Only a conservative jerk would say something like that.














I am inclined to agree.

[LnGrrrR]

Nothing was better than Herman's Head.

Now THAT's an old show... I should try to find that in a torrent.

[ElNono]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

Welcome to the club. There's plenty of empty seats on the back. Make yourself at home.

[101A]

However, I do believe that progressives have this childlike, utopian view of the world, and value the power of the state. Conservatives value freedom of the individual.

I agree with your definition.

I don't think, however, that the people in power are either progressive or conservative, they just sound like one or the other as it suits their needs.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

Pretty much.

[baseline bum]

I think you are right that the truly wealthy stay wealthy, regardless who's in office. However, I do believe that progressives have this childlike, utopian view of the world, and value the power of the state. Conservatives value freedom of the individual.

Conservatives have a strange view of the world where the rich should be allowed to keep sucking wealth from the majority in a never ending feedback loop. Conservatives think we shouldn't have environmental regulations because we should subsidize business instead. They about the taxes on the companies who pollute while dodging the fact that dumping waste in our water makes it more expensive to clean, thus making it more expensive to the general population. They ignore filling our air full of carcinogens makes us sicker and drives our medical costs up. They ignore that the lack of environmental regulation is in effect a regressive tax. Conservatives also like to criticize national government in favor of state governments because it's easier for business to bully state governments into sweetheart deals by threatening to move out of state.

I can't understand people who look at the disaster of the completely unregulated derivatives market that has sunk our nation to the brink of depression and want more. I can't understand conservatives who think the government should always step aside for business after we saw Enron rape California once their energy markets were deregulated. I can't understand people who saw our economy collapse on the dot.com bubble due to rampant speculation and think it's not a problem. I can't understand how anyone can think we're better off now after the conservative revolution of the 80s until now that has bled the middle class dry.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm becoming more and more convinced:

There is no overriding conspiracy or agenda from the left or the right.

Just look at the results; don't look at what either side says.

The same people are enriched whichever side is in power.

The left v right bull crap is simply a way to keep us distracted; it's the new opiate; partisan bickering about crap that really doesn't matter (abortion, prayer in school, flag burning)- or things that matter, but don't ever change (healthcare).

That is a long standing belief by many. I have wondered it myself, but I really don't think they can plan together that well.

It's just as simple as power corrupting I think.

[Wild Cobra]

Conservatives have a strange view of the world where the rich should be allowed to keep sucking wealth from the majority in a never ending feedback loop.

The rich being able to "suck the wealth" from others is not a conservative idea. Funny how people like George Soros, a rich liberal Billionaire, makes his money in the financial industry, and look who he supports!

Being a conservative embraces the idea to be able to keep the fruits of your labor. Not by destroying others. Money is also not a zero sum game.

Conservatives think we shouldn't have environmental regulations because we should subsidize business instead.

Bull . Conservatives don't believe in overzealous and "feel-good" projects. Most are all for reasonable regulations in all areas.

They about the taxes on the companies who pollute while dodging the fact that dumping waste in our water makes it more expensive to clean, thus making it more expensive to the general population.

We about nearly all taxes. Not just corporate polluters. You cannot tie the two together like that amd maintain a strait face, at least if you are intelligent about it.

They ignore filling our air full of carcinogens makes us sicker and drives our medical costs up.

I am all for doing what we can to solve any remaining issues out there. So are most conservatives, until you guys take it to the extreme.

They ignore that the lack of environmental regulation is in effect a regressive tax.

What do you mean? Any corporate tax is regressive because it affects the price of all who purchase the products.

Conservatives also like to criticize national government in favor of state governments because it's easier for business to bully state governments into sweetheart deals by threatening to move out of state.

That an be an effect, but it's because we believe in States Rights rather than a strong fascist government like you do.

I can't understand people who look at the disaster of the completely unregulated derivatives market that has sunk our nation to the brink of depression and want more.

History has proven over and over that necessarily regulating markets harm them more than keeping them as free as possible.

I can't understand conservatives who think the government should always step aside for business after we saw Enron rape California once their energy markets were deregulated.

Not step aside, but not control either. Enron was an illegal action and I'd like you to show me conservatives who support Enron's illegal activities. It is liberals who have the "I want it now" at ude, and I'll bet there were liberals running that operation, not conservatives.

I can't understand people who saw our economy collapse on the dot.com bubble due to rampant speculation and think it's not a problem.

Seasoned investors knew what they were doing, and the economic outlook had plenty of signs it was going to happen. Investment is not without risk. People lost money knew there was risk. So what?

I can't understand how anyone can think we're better off now after the conservative revolution of the 80s until now that has bled the middle class dry.

We are far better off, and you guys keep making policies that will give us early 80's double-digit type inflation.

[101A]

That is a long standing belief by many. I have wondered it myself, byt I really don't think they can plan together that well.

It's just as simple as power corrupting I think.

That's the beauty of it; they (politicians) don't have to plan - the donors are doing the planning FOR them; the politicians only have to do what they're told; and gripe at the other side.

[ElNono]

Being a conservative embraces the idea to be able to keep the fruits of your labor.

So you're telling me that trickle down economics is basically bull ?

[101A]

I am a conservative and I don't agree with:

establishing a world where the rich should be allowed to keep sucking wealth from the majority in a never ending feedback loop.

or that

we shouldn't have environmental regulations because we should subsidize business instead.

I don't:

about the taxes on the companies who pollute while dodging the fact that dumping waste in our water makes it more expensive to clean, thus making it more expensive to the general population.

I also don't

ignore filling our air full of carcinogens makes us sicker and drives our medical costs up.

or

ignore that the lack of environmental regulation is in effect a regressive tax.

I never

like to criticize national government in favor of state governments because it's easier for business to bully state governments into sweetheart deals by threatening to move out of state.

I also am not able to

understand people who look at the disaster of the completely unregulated derivatives market that has sunk our nation to the brink of depression and want more.

I don't know anyone who

thinks the government should always step aside for business after we saw Enron rape California once their energy markets were deregulated.

neither did I

see our economy collapse on the dot.com bubble due to rampant speculation and think it's not a problem.

and the kicker:

I can't understand how anyone can think we're better off now after the conservative revolution of the 80s until now that has bled the middle class dry.

So, Democrats now have complete control of government. I as a conservative, agree with everything you have complained about. I think those are issues that ought to be dealt with. Your solutions might not be mine, but they are legitimate (don't want to get bogged down in details).

First, I don't know why you think conservatives think all those things; someone must have told you. That person is lying. Also, if your "team" now has complete control. Why haven't they fixed any of those? What is stopping them? Why didn't my "team" do the things they told me were important to me, and them, they said, when they had ALL the power for six years?

Wake up.

[101A]

WC & BB = two peas in a pod.