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Real serious question for you:
If the Spurs increase their pace-adjusted offensive production, does it really matter what changes we see in Tony's individual statistics?
Their Are Parker Lovers and Haters here in Spurstalk. However one category that is always up for debate is Parker not passing the ball enough or not getting credit for his passing cause of the Spurs offensive system. Parker last season averaged a career high 6.9 ast per game,and in all honesty he had it up to 7 per game for a while. Their are however 2 scenarios that should be considered regarding Parkers assist avg. this season. (1) Holinger claims that Parker will not score as much ( say 18-19pts per game ) but will have a higher assist avg. ( 7-9 a game ) considering the additions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio Mcdyess. (2) Parker's Points will obviously lower, But his assist may lower as well considering that Spurs will have players that can drive and shoot. Last year Finley/Bonner/Roger Mason Jr. were all spot up shooters and lived off of Parkers penetration. This year at the 2 and 3 the Spurs have Manu /RJ who are not pure shooters and are more likely to put it on the floor then settle for the Jumper, Dejuan Blair gets points Rebounding and Posting up, unlike KT who had a solid midrange jumper. I ask you, Which do you think will be the case this season? More or less assist for TP?
My would be Poll
option 1 - 6 assist or less pergame
option 2 - 7 assist or more pergame
Last edited by portnoy1; 10-26-2009 at 07:54 AM.
Real serious question for you:
If the Spurs increase their pace-adjusted offensive production, does it really matter what changes we see in Tony's individual statistics?
His assists will probably stay the same, maybe even increase I think, as far as making points, also think it will stay the same and even increase. Parker has the ability to play the same like he did last season when he carried the team. This season he has the chance to be a leader again, even with the others being healthy
I think his assist numbers go up to 8 per game. He will be making a conscious effort to get his new teammates involved.
Just wondering what yall thought. Ofcourse a Spurs win is the most important thing, no matter what.
my guess is 6,5 apg. which option is it in your poll ?
well say thats option 1a, how about that?
Tony is not a pass-first PG, but a scoring PG. His assist numbers should go up ever so slightly because he is now surrounded with better talent. People that, when he actually decides to pass the ball, are more likely to knock down a shot. I simply don't see him averaging double figure assists a la JKidd or Nash...
Less.
Ball in his hands less, less minutes due to Pop actually liking the backup, more players able to initiate the offense, less reliances on drive and kick 3PT shots.
I think he'll get about 6-6.5, a tad bit less than last season in a bit less minutes per game. That said, he shouldn't be judged on his assist averages, he's doing a wonderful job in the Spurs offense, which is never going to generate too many assists to the PG, even if they're called Nash or Paul.
Less than 7, my guess is 6.5. The advantage factor is Jefferon and Dice will put in more balls from Parker，but on the other hand, George Hill will play significant mins.
The Spurs have been bottom-5 in pace the last three years and they were only 15th in offensive efficiency last year, after being as high as 5th as recently as 2007. If the Spurs are in the teens in pace and top-ten in efficiency, Tony will still be All-Star and All-NBA. I would expect a slight increase in APG and a slight decrease in PPG.
How about making your poll options correctly ?
between 6 and 7 assists is maybe the answer that make the most sense and isn't even in your poll options.
well he has much better teamates now so if he does not average 7+ apg, he is not "passing"
I guess the difference will be seen when running the open floor.
With RJ and Manu healthy, his scoring on fastbreak will decrease and assists will go up.
Wild guess but I think his scoring will be around 20 a game and his assists will be up between 7.5 and 7.8.
I'm interested in whether you find a difference between the offense the Spurs run and that of the Suns or Hornets for example.
Since when is Garnett a low post scorer like Duncan? I see the Rondo lovefest but at least use proper examples.
Low post scorers like Duncan are not assist friendly.
It's true we have superior talent to Suns or Hornets, but we also have way more creators, Parker doesn't have the ball all the time and he doesn't initiate the offense all the time, like Nash or Paul do, we play a lot of 4-down with Duncan being the playmaker, we play a lot through Manu and we'll now use Jefferson a bit too. Blair is also not an assist friendly big. This is why we generally, as a team, generate quite a lot of assists ( adgusted to pace ), compared to other teams, but no one in particular gets too many , because we share the ball way more than most, if not all, teams.
So, no, don't expect Parker to average more assists because of the superior talent, it doesn't add up this way. He's doing a tremendous job anyway.
Wow you're clueless. Look up the stats first. Factor the minutes each player is playing, the pace of the team and the individual offensive production shooting wise before claiming such a ridiculous thing.
Despite being french when you say "I doubt that" means you have no f***ing idea, so go and see and use correctly your own language before calling me names
Yet another 'Parker is a bad passer' take?
http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS1.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08SAS1.HTM
Rondo's Assist per Bad Pass: 5.1
Parker's Assist per Bad Pass: 7.0
Agree, Parker is actually a very good passer, don't know where this idea that he's not good comes from, probably because people judge him on his averages without knowing the Spurs system, or maybe because he doesn't do the flashy passing ( because Pop would kill him ).
Sorry for engaging in a discussion with 14 year olds who so clearly haven't watched the Spurs play. Should of known better.
Ah, hiding behind the 'lower assists = bad passer' routine.
at you upholding Rondo as the better PG when he makes more bad passes per assist than Parker.
And an even better
After you got exposed yesterday on your knowledge of PGs, you've lost all credibility on the subject.
What do you expect? He thinks Beno is a good NBA starting pointing guard.Ah, hiding behind the 'lower assists = bad passer' routine.
And an even better
http://www.82games.com/0809/08SAC1.HTM
Beno's assist per bad pass: 3.8
Beno's Passing Rating: 8.6
Even by Spurstrodamus's standards, those are some pretty bad numbers for a 'starting NBA PG'
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