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    I haven't had a chance to catch the Spurs yet. How is the big off-season addition doing? Has he brought the added scoring punch you guys were missing?


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    I actually like how he's played, a lot of people don't though..

    He's passing very well, he's getting to the line, he's playing aggressively, his defense has been solid..the problem is that his jump shots aren't going down..that will change..

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    He's sucking more ass than Marion in a spurs-suns series. He looks nervous, honestly.

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    I actually like how he's played, a lot of people don't though..

    He's passing very well, he's getting to the line, he's playing aggressively, his defense has been solid..the problem is that his jump shots aren't going down..that will change..
    Yeah, I was trolling a little bit with the first post, but I'm glad you responded seriously. The cliche is that it takes a guy a year to fully fit into the Spurs system. I still liked that pickup for San Antonio, but do you foresee any problems where he might not be a good fit?

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    but do you foresee any problems where he might not be a good fit?
    He's going to have to fit in, for sure. You have to remember we're bringing a healthy Manu back to the table as well - its almost like we made 2 big offseason acquisitions on the perimeter.

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    It's gonna take A LONG time for RJ to find his role here..I'm sure it'll be the same for the Mavs to incorporate Marion + Howard together, just like it'll be for us with Manu and RJ(like zosa said)..

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    actually helped us win a game already. Which is one more game than certain acquisitions from other teams... ahem...

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    It's gonna take A LONG time for RJ to find his role here..I'm sure it'll be the same for the Mavs to incorporate Marion + Howard together, just like it'll be for us with Manu and RJ(like zosa said)..
    How does Pop want RJ to play? Does he want another slasher to use the driving lanes that Duncan creates, or spread the floor from the wings as a 3 pt shooter? He shot 40% from 3 last year.

    I think Marion/Josh will either work out very well or not at all. Neither of them really have the shooting range of a 2.

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    Yeah, I was trolling a little bit with the first post, but I'm glad you responded seriously. The cliche is that it takes a guy a year to fully fit into the Spurs system. I still liked that pickup for San Antonio, but do you foresee any problems where he might not be a good fit?
    Not really. He has the right personality/game to fit in with the other stars. The thing I am seeing from him right now is a lack of comfort and familiarity. This has shown up in his indecisiveness and I think it has affected his shooting as well. It's going to take some time...but it will be worth it when you consider the offensive limitations of the player that used to play SF for us.

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    I know FinDog wasnt NEARLY as vocal that Jefferson was going to be a mistake as I was. I was told that only a Suns fan would see a negative in the Jefferson trade.

    Just to recap:

    1) Trading for Jefferson prevents the Spurs from being players in the summers FA crop. No replacement for Ginobili or even return to the twin towers (via Bosh) for the Spurs because they chose Jefferson. They put all their eggs in one basket on this one.

    2) Jefferson is a completely one dimensional player. He scores for himself and hes not as efficient as Paker, Ginobili or Duncan. He needs lots of shots to score and he's not going to get them in San Antonio. So basically the one thing he's able to do is mitigated. Thinking he's going to "carry the offense" is ridiculous. If he could carry an offense, Milwaukee wouldnt have traded him for nothing.

    3) A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.

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    Do Spurs fan still actually believe here is a defensive stopper?

    He certainly never stops Luke from driving through his restricted area.

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    It's probably tough for him because he's not any more in a role where he has the ball in his hands all the time with the aim to score. He will be asked more "intelligently", helping in the offense wherever he's needed, be it by scoring, passing, getting fouls and so on. It's a different game and given the Spurs system it's going to take a while but he should get there in the end (before the playoffs).

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    How does Pop want RJ to play? Does he want another slasher to use the driving lanes that Duncan creates, or spread the floor from the wings as a 3 pt shooter? He shot 40% from 3 last year.

    I think Marion/Josh will either work out very well or not at all. Neither of them really have the shooting range of a 2.
    Looking at his play in the first two games, I'd say that's a question that's not fully answered yet.

    looks hesitant. I saw flashes of aggressiveness against the Bulls. He got fouled every time he went to the rim, but it was too little and too far in between. He just needs to be more assertive. That's gonna take time in Pop's system.

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    He'll be fine, I say by January he will look a lot better.

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    I know FinDog wasnt NEARLY as vocal that Jefferson was going to be a mistake as I was. I was told that only a Suns fan would see a negative in the Jefferson trade.

    Just to recap:

    1) Trading for Jefferson prevents the Spurs from being players in the summers FA crop. No replacement for Ginobili or even return to the twin towers (via Bosh) for the Spurs because they chose Jefferson. They put all their eggs in one basket on this one.

    2) Jefferson is a completely one dimensional player. He scores for himself and hes not as efficient as Paker, Ginobili or Duncan. He needs lots of shots to score and he's not going to get them in San Antonio. So basically the one thing he's able to do is mitigated. Thinking he's going to "carry the offense" is ridiculous. If he could carry an offense, Milwaukee wouldnt have traded him for nothing.

    3) A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.
    We're two games in, RJ will shoot the 2nd most shots during the season and probably PO, and we have yet to resign Manu.

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    the funny thing about da_suns_fan is that his alternate options that we should have gotten aren't good, his thoughts about Jefferson are false, and he somehow thinks we would have acquired Bosh next year..

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    the funny thing about da_suns_fan is that his alternate options that we should have gotten aren't good, his thoughts about Jefferson are false, and he somehow thinks we would have acquired Bosh next year..
    He is still in love with Steve Nash. That in itself should deal a death blow to his credibility regarding what any team should personnel-wise.

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    A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.
    Hate on RJ all you want, I could care less.

    Just drop the Ariza BS. It makes no sense unless the Spurs had access to a time machine or a mole inside the executive offices of the Rockets.

    It's stupid.

    Stop.

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    I know FinDog wasnt NEARLY as vocal that Jefferson was going to be a mistake as I was. I was told that only a Suns fan would see a negative in the Jefferson trade.

    Just to recap:

    1) Trading for Jefferson prevents the Spurs from being players in the summers FA crop. No replacement for Ginobili or even return to the twin towers (via Bosh) for the Spurs because they chose Jefferson. They put all their eggs in one basket on this one.

    You really think that the Spurs were gonna lure any big name FA here next summer? Also, the FO considered Timmy's situation and decided that one more year of waiting was unacceptable. I don't think you can argue that the Spurs had another year to wait.

    2) Jefferson is a completely one dimensional player. He scores for himself and hes not as efficient as Paker, Ginobili or Duncan. He needs lots of shots to score and he's not going to get them in San Antonio. So basically the one thing he's able to do is mitigated. Thinking he's going to "carry the offense" is ridiculous. If he could carry an offense, Milwaukee wouldnt have traded him for nothing.

    You completely missed the boat on this one. Milwaukee traded RJ for economic reasons. Sure, he's not a marquee scorer like LBJ or Kobe, but he's a solid shooter and a great slasher. His aggressiveness will pick up as the season goes along.

    3) A perfect fit was out there in Trevor Ariza. He rebounds, hits the open shot, runs the floor, is super athletic and 1/3 the price of Jefferson. AND the Spurs could have him and been players in the FA market.

    LOL@Ariza. Wasn't he going to the Rockets anyway? The Spurs needed more scoring as well as a guy who had good defensive potential. Where on Ariza's resume is there evidence that he was going to give the Spurs the offensive presence they needed outside of the Big Three?

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    He's sucking more ass than Marion in a spurs-suns series. He looks nervous, honestly.

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    We're two games in, RJ will shoot the 2nd most shots during the season and probably PO, and we have yet to resign Manu.
    If Richard Jefferson is getting the second most shots, the Spurs will be worse off for it.

    I guarantee ANY team would prefer Jefferson shooting over Parker, Duncan or Ginobili.

    And the Spurs HAVE to re-sign Ginobili now. They have no other options. They'll be too far over the cap to go after anyone next year. Its "sign Ginobili" or "let him walk". Those are their two options now.

    It was a mistake.

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    You really think that the Spurs were gonna lure any big name FA here next summer? Also, the FO considered Timmy's situation and decided that one more year of waiting was unacceptable. I don't think you can argue that the Spurs had another year to wait.
    I GUARANTEE Joe Johnson will go to whoever offers him the most money. Trust me on this one.

    He would have made a nice back court for the future with Tony Parker.

    Instead, the Spurs chose Jefferson.

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    I GUARANTEE Joe Johnson will go to whoever offers him the most money. Trust me on this one.

    He would have made a nice back court for the future with Tony Parker.

    Instead, the Spurs chose Jefferson.
    lol@Joe Johnson as the answer.

    Let's say for a second that you don't know what you're talking about (Im not stretching too far apparently....), who comes if Joe Johnson doesn't?

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    his shot is way, way, way off, he is lost on offense, he is not defending as well. but he is still attacking the basket and getting foul calls. Learning process. he'll be fine.

    still, I would trade him for Jax in a minute.

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    I GUARANTEE Joe Johnson will go to whoever offers him the most money. Trust me on this one.

    He would have made a nice back court for the future with Tony Parker.

    Instead, the Spurs chose Jefferson.

    Not only does your logic suck, so does your math. The only way for the Spurs to be in position to offer a max contract in 2010 would have been to not use the MLE this year, make no trades to take on any future obligations, and renounce Manu next year.

    So they would have given up any chance at contending this year in return for a chance at a FA in 2010.

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