Da_Suns_Fan, how was RJ last night?

[phyzik]

Care to spew some more of your misguided, incorrect, hate about RJ?

[Mel_13]

He's been so wrong for so long it's doubtful that he changes now.

[z0sa]

Although he knows his own team pretty well, I just can't understand why he'd think RJ can't fit into an offense with multiple options and because of that, he couldn't exert more energy on D. Guy was on a Finals team and is high character. In an offense with many options, he can exert more on D than he ever has, especially a D-oriented team like this one

[quentin_compson]

Although he knows his own team pretty well, I just can't understand why he'd think RJ can't fit into an offense with multiple options and because of that, he couldn't exert more energy on D. Guy was on a Finals team and is high character. In an offense with many options, he can exert more on D than he ever has, especially a D-oriented team like this one

Let's hope we see more proof of this as the season moves on.

[DAF86]

Let's hope we see more proof of this as the season moves on.

That's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be so sure about the Spurs beign as "D-oriented" as in past seasons.

[exstatic]

Let's hope we see more proof of this as the season moves on.

That's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be so sure about the Spurs beign as "D-oriented" as in past seasons.

The worst D game was the win against NO. They shot 50%. The other two were 43 and 45%. That's not too shabby for a new group, especially one playing combinations and players that won't be playing later in the year.

[Allanon]

just wanted to get the game over quickly so he could get over to Luke's house for some trick and treating.

[exstatic]

just wanted to get the game over quickly so he could get over to Luke's house for some trick and treating.

Actually, Phil called and asked him to fill Ron's Thorazine prescription.

[DJB]

just wanted to get the game over quickly so he could get over to Luke's house for some trick and treating.

[EricB]

The worst D game was the win against NO. They shot 50%. The other two were 43 and 45%. That's not too shabby for a new group, especially one playing combinations and players that won't be playing later in the year.

Don't you know they are supposed to be playing perfectly together and running on all cylinders RIGHT NOW DAMNT!??! HUH!? COME ON EX! Sigh.

[lennyalderette]

[quote=exstatic;3792737]Actually, Phil called and asked him to fill Ron's Thorazine prescription.[/quote

[lennyalderette]

sometimes i kinda feel bad for the guy, he looks really screwed up in the head, its amazing hes able to play ball while he's thinking about god knows what! i think hes infatuated with kobe, kinda strange situation out in l.a

[da_suns_fan]

HOLY CRAP! A new thread in the Spurs forum just for me?!!!!!


Yep. I still fill EXACTLY the same way even after Richard had a nice game against the worst team in the NBA. All the Spurs have to do is hope he has a near perfect shooting night every game and he'll totally be worth it!

Just to recap, Ive been called out cuz Jefferson scored 21 points on 7-8 shooting. No assists. Two rebounds and one steal.

Just to reiterate, Ive preached that Jefferson is a volume shooter and one dimensional player who doesnt create for others, rebound, or play defense and not even close to deserving of the 14 million bucks the Spurs are paying him.

But that was BEFORE his game against the Kings!

[EricB]

HOLY CRAP! A new thread in the Spurs forum just for me?!!!!!


Yep. I still fill EXACTLY the same way even after Richard had a nice game against the worst team in the NBA. All the Spurs have to do is hope he has a near perfect shooting night every game and he'll totally be worth it!

Yeah they shoulda kept Bowen, Oberto and Bowen and just hoped against hope that Bosh would sign.

Genius move.

[da_suns_fan]

Although he knows his own team pretty well, I just can't understand why he'd think RJ can't fit into an offense with multiple options and because of that, he couldn't exert more energy on D. Guy was on a Finals team and is high character. In an offense with many options, he can exert more on D than he ever has, especially a D-oriented team like this one

Fact: The most games the Nets ever won was 50. And that was good enough for the number one seed.

Seriously. That was HOW BAD the East was.

Also, Jefferson is an average defender at best. Jefferson cant create well for others (see nearly 1:1 assist/turnover ratio for his CAREER) and needs lots of shots to score (which he wont get in San Antonio).

Bottom line is this: The Spurs broke rule number one in the General Managing for Dummies handbook: YOU NEVER, EVER TRADE FOR A BAD CONTRACT!! EVER!! Not only do you never get your money's worth, the bad contract player becomes virtually untradeable.

[da_suns_fan]

Yeah they shoulda kept Bowen, Oberto and Bowen and just hoped against hope that Bosh would sign.

Genius move.

Or Joe Johnson or any of the plethera of free agents out there.

Seems to me that Spurs fans are just now clinging to the belief that they would have been INCAPABLE of landing a big free agent even if they had the money (which they could have).

Do you all seriously think that little of your franchise or city?

[Interrohater]

Or Joe Johnson or any of the plethera of free agents out there.

Seems to me that Spurs fans are just now clinging to the belief that they would have been INCAPABLE of landing a big free agent even if they had the money (which they could have).

Do you all seriously think that little of your franchise or city?

yes.

Also, good luck this year, I think your team will need it.

[da_suns_fan]

yes.

Also, good luck this year, I think your team will need it.

My team needs a lot more than luck. They'd need someone dumb enough to take away our own "Richard Jefferson" in Jason Richardson and give us a real big man who actually likes contact and can rebound.

But most of all, my team needs to dump its frugal owner and his silly puppet/spin-master Steve Kerr.

But dont kid yourselves about free agents. Ive said it a dozen times now. I GUARANTEE Joe Johnson will go to the highest bidder. And he's seriously everything Spurs fans are CLAIMING Richard Jefferson to be.

[Muser]

This is just a copy/paste of other RJ threads. I disagree with DSF but I respect his opinion, can we please stop making these threads now?

[da_suns_fan]

This is just a copy/paste of other RJ threads. I disagree with DSF but I respect his opinion, can we please stop making these threads now?

Yes, Im definitely repeating myself.

But dont blame ME!!! I was called out!!

[exstatic]

Or Joe Johnson or any of the plethera of free agents out there.

Seems to me that Spurs fans are just now clinging to the belief that they would have been INCAPABLE of landing a big free agent even if they had the money (which they could have).

Do you all seriously think that little of your franchise or city?

I think it's a combination of not thinking any of the BIG fish (LeBron, Wade) are leaving their cities, and not wanting to waste one of only three years left in Duncan's career.

None of the rest of the FAs (Bosh, Joe J, Amare) can do anything, post Duncan, as shown by their current career direction, so why sign them and have them F'ing up the cap and keeping you at the bottom of the lottery or borderline playoffs? You blow it up after Duncan and start over.

[z0sa]

Fact: The most games the Nets ever won was 50. And that was good enough for the number one seed.

Seriously. That was HOW BAD the East was.

Don't know how any of this changes the fact he is a high character guy who played an integral part on a finals team.

Also, Jefferson is an average defender at best.

Ridiculous. He's an average defender, I could see your perspective. But at BEST? Bull . Besides, premature ejaculation. He could still be an above average defender on this a team, a team more predicated on D and having the most talented offensive options he's ever played with.

Jefferson cant create well for others (see nearly 1:1 assist/turnover ratio for his CAREER)

First, you need to put things into perspective here. Jefferson was traded in exchange for our garbage. He is a high character guy, who fits in with our team's mentality. Whether or not he is an extraordinary creator for our role players doesn't mean , because we traded trash to get him.

Why didn't we wait for a free agent in 2010? Because Tim wants to contend THIS year. Additionally, we needed someone besides Tony on the perimeter who can play big minutes without health issues - so we can keep Parker and others happy and healthy.

and needs lots of shots to score (which he wont get in San Antonio).

Give it time. He is already becoming more aggressive, and he will get plenty of shots. You seem to think that he simply can't score more efficiently even though he's going to face single coverage nearly always because of all the other options. He's actually quite efficient for a supposed volume shooter, as well - his career FG% is 47%, and last season he shot 40% from 3 (career is around 36%).

[EricB]

Jefferson when focused on it is a DAMN good defender.

Personally I don't get Bruno's claims the team is no better defensively than last year. The personnel IMO is much improved from Dice and Jefferson to Theo Ratliff and even Bogans to a certain extent.

[EmptyMan]

who doesnt create for others, rebound, or play defense

LOL @ you son.

[Blackjack]

Here's what Bruno actually said:

Spurs are going to be one of the worst shot blocking team in the league (somewhere in the bottom three).

While I think shot-blocking is overrated, Spurs clearly don't have the players to be a great defensive team.

I'm not in the thread starter head but I don't think his reaction is only based on the Bulls game. At least, mine isn't.

Most of Spurs players have been in the league for years and you know how they will play. When you look at the 10 players in Spurs' rotation, Spurs won't be a top3 defensive team in the league.

Ginobili and McDyess are nowhere near great defender and Hill is your backup PG.


When you look at this year's and last year's Spurs roster, it's quite unlikely that Spurs will be significantly better than last year on the defensive end. They should be good but not great.

Obviously I agree, since I was the thread starter he agreed with.