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Link of the source?
This has to be the most obvious yet-to-be-consummated trade in the NBA right now.
From what I've read, the Zombie Warriors like Big Z and his big expiring and WANT TO DO THE DEAL, but Cleveland are baulking. WTF??? Epic GMing fail!!!!!!
Jax is exactly what Cleveland needs - a ferocious, big shot making animal to play Artest to LBJ's Kobe. Sure, you take on 3 expensive years of Jax, but I have a feeling LBJ is GONE unless they make the Finals this year. He's sick of carrying the whole load and watching his teammates miss big shots. The Mo Williams experiment failed last April, and the Shaq experiment was doomed from the beginning. You already have solid Varejao, the parody of his former self Shaq, and a blooming Hickson in the frontcourt, so you deal Z for Jax and watch Jax thrive as LBJ's beta-dog. Doesn't it seem obvious?
Link of the source?
Maybe if Powe was fit and healthy they'd do it straight away and AV would play as the back up C. The rumour keeps popping up across the net doesn't it.
I don't need to link the source, it's common knowledge, been discussed in multiple articles over a fortnight, but here's one for instance:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/cat...n-contributors
PS Jax's salary 7.65m, Big Z is 11.5m, but you can easily fill in that deal with one other player.
Warriors also need to sell the team to an owner who cares and get a new coach in. That team and organisation is utterly cancerous right now and needs a new culture.
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 11-16-2009 at 08:44 AM.
no way the cavs do this
if they win or not, labron is gone anyway...
and they are stuck with jax for the remainder of his contract, and who knows if he causes another misfit wants a trade....
I think Cavs should love to make this move. Why not? They need another player who can HANDLE the ball and CREATE shot. Mo Williams as 2nd scorer is kind of ridiculous, they've got too many single-functional players, they need a versatile SF.
Cavs want a backup for Shaq if he gets hurt. I can see what they are doing as big men are hard to find come playoff time. It's not as obvious as everyone thinks as this is the NBA, not fantasy basketball
With Shaq already clogging up the lane. Cavs need a 4 that can space the floor.
J.J. Hickson
I guess its too late now
averaging 13 ppg since put into the starting lineup. Everyone can laugh at JJ because he isn't a household name, but he is a good player. Scored 18 the other night in Miami and 20 Saturday. He can hit the 15 foot jumper which is all the Cavs need from him
Leads the Cavs in +/- and the Cavs are 4-0 with him as a starter.
Last edited by Thunder Dan; 11-16-2009 at 04:57 PM.
Shaq's too old for them to thin-out their front-court.
you're basically betting your entire season on Shaq's knees. Not a good bet IMO
both Shaq and Z are old, so they go well together. If they are both healthy, they play around 20 minutes a night, if one gets traded they other has to play much more, which means they are more prone to being run down or hurt. 2 old centers are better than 1 in this case. They are insurance policies on eachother
They can't break up the TWIN TOWERS.
When I see those two drudging along, it reminds me of the TREES from Lord of the Rings.
They can't break up the TWIN TOWERS.
When I see those two drudging along, it reminds me of the TREES from Lord of the Rings.
We're talking about Shaq here... JJ Hickson does not space the floor.
The Cavs should have S&T Wally and fillers (West?) or Z for Jackson.
I can't see how can they get the big they need for Z (Troy Murphy? Is he worth the trouble?). What kind of big the Cavs need, anyway?
An athletic, perimeter orientated, defensively capable - and I don't see anyone available for what they have to offer.
So, what should Ferry do?
Answer: trade Z for a versatile wing.
Why?
Because at least they cover one of their flaws: another quality perimeter player that can make plays.
Them, they need to keep starting Hickson alongside Shaq - like Jones for the Nuggets last season (except Hickson won't play for his defence - he will create better balance in the rotation). The Cavs should then use Varejao as their first big off the bench and play him comparable minutes to Shaq or perhaps more (while limiting his minutes alongside Shaq).
After watching 8 of their games, I'm positively convinced that Varejao, Shaq and Ilgauskas playing alongside one another aren't going to be effective enough as a grouping to give Cleveland a large enough contribution in the paint.
So, they should use James as their 4th big - playing 10 minutes per game or so (depending on Hickson) at the 4. If they don't add another quality wing, they'll suddenly become a weak rebounding and defensive team. Hence, they trade Z for that wing.
Big man rotation:
Shaq: 28-30 minutes a night
Varejao: 34-38 minutes a night as the first big off the bench.
Hickson: 20-25 minutes depending on his success in the coming weeks.
LeBron James playing 13-16 minutes as the fourth big in the rotation
Darnell Jackson as the fifth string.
James can still play 25-30 minutes at his best position. Parker is good another 30 mpg. This leaves 35 mpg for the new wing and Moon gets the scraps.
JJ isn't a 3 point shooter, but he can step out and hit shots, he is like a Boozer type
Even trading Z, you still have 3 solid bigs, and you need a clutch second scorer far more than you do Z's 6.5/5.8. Shaq isn't working out anyway, so better to play him 20-25mins and use a scrub for 6 fouls (if necessary).
Not my fault that Ferry is weak (here's an excerpt from Mark Stein dated a few hours before the trade):
"Dealing Jackson for a Szczerbiak-West combo, depending what other minor pieces might be added to the deal from both sides, would at least relieve Golden State of a financial burden in future seasons in exchange for their former captain. Given the in-house tension that has been generated by Jackson's trade demand late in the summer, Jackson's subsequent two-game suspension early in the exhibition season after a sideline blowup with coach Don Nelson during the exhibition season and the recent blasting of Nelson by Jackson's agent Mark Stevens, payroll relief must sound pretty good to the Warriors.
The bigger obstacle would appear to be the Cavs' willingness to make such a bold move so early, no matter what form the deal takes, since any desperation Cleveland was feeling after its 0-2 start was undoubtedly eased by last week's road sweep of Orlando and Miami."
So, instead, Jax gets shipped to Larry B and the Cats. That should be interesting. Hope he changes their season and they make the 8-spot while Cleveland fall in the 2nd round again.
Bye bye, LBJ.
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 11-16-2009 at 06:50 PM.
And Hollinger is spot-on:
"John Hollinger | ESPN.com
What a humiliating about-face. Less than a year after the Warriors' dysfunctional management proudly signed team captain Stephen Jackson to a cap-crippling three-year, $28 million extension negotiated behind then-general manager Chris Mullin's back, they gave away the disgruntled veteran for cap relief on Monday by dealing him and Acie Law to Charlotte for Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic. Radmanovic's own contract is bad enough that the Lakers gave him away at the trade deadline a year earlier, speaking volumes about the Warriors' gaffe with Jackson.
What makes this even worse is that it appears Golden State took the second-best offer on the table. Multiple league sources told me the Cavaliers were ready to move ahead with a deal featuring a signed-and-traded Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and perhaps some ancillary flotsam in return for Jackson, a deal that would have been visibly superior to the Charlotte deal from both a cap-management and talent perspective.
Let's run through the math. Bell is a productive player -- but at a much lower level than Jackson -- and is on the final year of his contract, making the primary benefit of the deal for Golden State the fact it clears $9.2 million in cap space in 2011. The Warriors are now a potential player in that year's free-agent market, depending on future moves.
But they could have cleared even more cap space with Cleveland's offer. Such a deal would have given the Warriors full, immediate relief from Jackson's deal after the season once they waived West (whose contract isn't guaranteed for next year) and Szczerbiak (whose contract wouldn't be guaranteed beyond this year in a sign-and-trade)."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...ime-091116live
Z, Wally, West - who was sent matters little, it's getting Jax that was important. And Ferry screwed it. The East must be rejoicing!
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