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Thanks for pointing this out. If people want to keep exotic pets, and are treating them humanely, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
o Everyone,
I don't post that often here, but I really would like to let everyone know what's going on right now with the latest Laws/bans and exotic animals.
A few months back exotic pet owners nationwide came together to block a bill that the government tried to pass (HR669) that would have made it illegal to own just about any exotic animal. That would have included parakeets, goldfish, hamsters, ball pythons....you get the idea.
Well, they haven't stopped. The Humane Society of the United States and PETA are still at work, and they still want to take away everyone's exotics, but they are working to do it one step at a time. The latest step is S373, a.k.a. the Python ban. As currently written, S373 would ban all species of python, including the ball python, which of course is the most popular pet snake in the industry. HSUS is also working to have the boa constrictor added to the fray. This bill will have far reaching effects, since the industry has grown leaps and bounds over the years. Thousands of businesses have come up due to the breeding/selling of all sorts of supplies/cages, animals, etc. and this bill will put a LOT of people out of work, not to mention it will bankrupt thousands of families who have invested many thousands of dollars in this hobby/industry. My wife and I ourselves have close to 100,000 dollars invested in our collection, and with this bill it would all be gone overnight. The bill is based on junk science, all of course used to sensationalize something that will be a cash cow for some as well as finally meet the goals of HSUS to take more animals out of the hands of the owners who love and care for them.
We in the industry need your help. We in the hobby need your help. Please check out the links below, and help us fight to keep our rights. This will not end with pythons and boas everyone. It's just one step. They have tried to take away all exotics once before, and they won't stop unless we all come together and do something.
Thank you for your time.
Jason Royer.
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1765890,1765890
and some information pertaining to the Burmese pythons in the everglades:
http://www.vpi.com/sites/vpi.com/fil...compressed.pdf
Thanks for pointing this out. If people want to keep exotic pets, and are treating them humanely, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
I am not a fan of people having pets to begin with. I don't hold a snake in any different regard than owning a 'cute little puppy'.
IMHO there is no 'humane' way to have a pet.. If you need to domesticate an animal to survive, like a horse, sheep, or dogs [back in the day], fine. But people keeping animals cooped up in homes for no real purpose kind of bothers me.
People that have to own exotic pets are pretty much assholes that end up causing like this:
Sorry but it's true. I don't think everyone has a cons utional right to own an exotic pet. And it's not simply a case of minding your own business either. My support for this depends on the exotic pets in question.
I used to own 2 large green iguanas, 2 boa constrictors, a burmese python, a ball python, and some I can't remember. Not all at the same time though. I had them in large enclosures, some of them custom made, and the reptiles were well taken care of.
Government incompetence at its finest.
1. Why is an invasive species to Florida a federal issue?
2. Why are all pythons banned instead of the one destroying wildlife?
Please. I let my pets roam outside and they prefer to stay in. Free food, no predators, and warmth. They don't even leave my yard. I'd think something that hates being confined would bolt off and never return.
Are pitt bulls exotic?
I would say you are a better pet owner than most. However, I still don't understand some people's compulsion to own a pet in the 1st place. Particularly people who have kids...
Here's why:
http://www.impactlab.com/2009/05/30/...da-everglades/
There is concern that we will be having a problem here in Texas as well.
Ban 'em.
I like the assholes who bring over exotic pets to the states, let them loose, they populate like horny monkeys, and up the local eco-system.
What's the cons utional right that grants politicians the right to say if people can own animals or not?
I don't own exotic pets (although I'd like to hunt a few), but I own dogs, birds and horses, so I'm with you:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
The strong will survive, and if the Pythons are more fit to inhabit an area, then so be it...
They will eventually find a balance with their surroundings and are a de facto part of the system...
Holy . Yeah...it's definitely one of those things where one idiot can do a lot of damage.
Making them illegal isn't going to keep people from attempting to own them though. It just creates a black market...
The idiots always screw everything up for everyone else.
I don't know the answer to that...but I think that woman had more right to have a face than that idiot had to own a chimp.
So how about make them legal, if their pet kill someone else, they get the death penalty for it?
Does that work?
I agree with your second point. Targeting the invasive animal specifically would have the desired effect without crippling the exotic trade. Invasive species are very much a federal issue here though, since it's directly affecting 1.) national parks and 2.) species that fall under the ESA.
Actually, that would be the commerce clause.
The problem is not with the pit bull or the exotic pets, the problem is with the owners.
What's that one Asian vine that grows over everything and is relentless? Devil's tail maybe, I cannot remember.
That vine is strong and will survive, but I do not want to be living under a gotdamn vine.
I was hoping not to get too caught up in this, just trying to put some of the info out there, but it's almost impossible to ignore.
Byrontx, Texas has already passed laws regarding the big five snakes, requiring permits for breeding and ownership. NEVER has any of these snakes established itself as a viable, breeding species in the state of Texas.
The only place that's viable for any of these snakes is in the southern area of Florida, i.e. the everglades. The glades have more introduced species than any area (arguably) in the world. It's the perfect survival area for these animals, but there is no real scientific proof that they will spread. The United States Geological Service came out with a report that was sponsored by HSUS saying that they could spread beyond that area, but this report was refuted by a very large group of scientists saying that no one else was allowed to review the report, it wasn't allowed a peer review. If it was it would have been completely picked apart.
The media link that you provided is typical of what we are up against. Where do you think that number (150,000) pythons came from, for example? It's made up. The truth is that the people that are feeding the media and Senator Nelson their info are some of the ones that will gain from this. If they it a national problem (saying they will spread), then federal dollars will flow in, and careers will be built combating the "python problem". Why not put a bounty on the snakes? Why not let the public remove them for money?
A good point was brought up earlier. This is a Florida problem! That is the key!!! Why should a person in Washington state lose his ball python because of the everglades? Don't you see the problem here? The Federal Government's job is to protect the Cons ution and the Bill of Rights, and the rest is supposed to be up to the states. With everything else going on in our country, why is everyone so willing to allow the government to have so much say in our daily lives?
I'm not talking chimpanzees, big cats, nile crocodiles or great white sharks. I'm talking about ALL exotics being the eventual goal, and by exotic I mean any animal that is not native to the United States. By that I mean gerbils, hamsters, ferrets, goldfish, parakeets, all sorts of lizards, pythons, boas, there are so many more.
Two key points here with the python ban:
1. In the last 30 years there has been less than one death a year from large pythons, and all but three of the deaths were the owner of the snake. The other 3 were people living in the house, and those three deaths were surrounded by doubt (meaning foul play was suspected in the death, including the little girl who was killed recently in Florida). NO ONE living outside the house of the snake has ever been killed or seriously injured by a python. This eliminates the "Threat to the Public".
2. In the years that this hobby/business has been around, there has been only one area of the country that pythons, in this case Burmese pythons, have been known to be able to live and breed in. No other area is inhabitable by these animals. No other area provides the year round climate to support them. It's a Florida issue, not a Federal issue.
I do believe that animals such as monkees, big cats, wolves, etc. should be regulated, but I also believe that it's a state issue, not a federal one. The federal government has overstepped it's bounds on so many occasions, and it's obviously at a ridiculously powerful level.
A few Thomas Jefferson quotes about big government:
"Most bad government has grown out of too much government."
"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
No there isn't, unless your an idiot. It gets too cold here. In fact it gets to cold for them in all but the southern tip of Florida. And eventually a really strong cold front will put even the southern tip of Florida down into the low 40's as it has in the past and that will do quite a number on any invasive population of pythons.
This is part of Senator Bill Nelsons war on pythons ever since that toddler was killed. He gave the link to Dave and Tracy Barkers article on the subject which explains it quite well.
http://www.vpi.com/sites/vpi.com/fil...compressed.pdf
Grapes?
Those grape vines are all over here and kill all the trees...
That logic has worked out great with zebra clams, kudzu, and snake-fish.
So who do you see profiting from this, Jason? Honest question.
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