The Death of Detroit

[DarrinS]

Take one of the wealthiest cities in the US, add 50 years of progressive policy makers and what do you get?


Detroit

[DarrinS]

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[clambake]

do you have anything that hasn't been posted before?

[George Gervin's Afro]

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So are you claiming that local and state government economic policies are the primary driving force behind the success or failure of each state?

[Marcus Bryant]

If we're going to go with simplistic headline causes for the "Death of Detroit," did not the American consumer do it in? Enabled, of course, by "free trade."

[DarkReign]

Good thing he filmed that during the day time.

[DarkReign]

If we're going to go with simplistic headline causes for the "Death of Detroit," did not the American consumer do it in? Enabled, of course, by "free trade."

Shhhhh!

Protectionism causes wars, dont you know! Its also responsible for the Great Depression!

[spursncowboys]

Other casualties of liberalism- Oakland, Philidelphia, New York, DC, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc.

[Marcus Bryant]

Or, global warming climate change green clean tech whatever didn't do Detroit in, but compe ion did. Fine, blame the unions. But the other part of the political stew was what is today part of the "conservative" creed.

We've progressed from individual producers to mass producers to mass consumers to individual consumers as the focus of this nation, if you must evaluate government policies in purely economic terms.

And I'm not sure why Detroit's demise is necessarily looked at as a bad thing by conservatives, at least those wedded to the evaluation of what government governs best by which maximizes material progress, which is measured today in terms of consumption.

[DarrinS]

Good thing he filmed that during the day time.

No kidding. I've been to several engineering conferences there. Parts of that city look post-apocalyptic.

[spursncowboys]

Shhhhh!

Protectionism causes wars, dont you know! Its also responsible for the Great Depression!

"When goods don't cross borders, armies will." -Frederic Bastiat

[Marcus Bryant]

Not to mention that today's "conservatives" regard the Founding Fathers as a group of upper middle class Southern Baptists who created a framework for national and Christian greatness, instead of individual greatness.

[Marcus Bryant]

“Taxes must, in the end, fall upon the consumer.” - Bastiat

[DarrinS]

Not to mention that today's "conservatives" regard the Founding Fathers as a group of upper middle class Southern Baptists who created a framework for national and Christian greatness, instead of individual greatness.

Yeah, I'm sure our founding fathers were a bunch of secularists.

[spursncowboys]

Not to mention that today's "conservatives" regard the Founding Fathers as a group of upper middle class Southern Baptists who created a framework for national and Christian greatness, instead of individual greatness.

I don't think so. I personally don't believe they envisioned the bill of rights being used to completely erradicate christianity of any kind from government.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's time "conservatives" own up to the economic and social "change" wrought by the policies they advocate. Of course globalization is going to bring about disruptions in domestic life. Stop pretending they haven't.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, I'm sure our founding fathers were a bunch of secularists.

They weren't fundys, kiddo.

[spursncowboys]

If we're going to go with simplistic headline causes for the "Death of Detroit," did not the American consumer do it in? Enabled, of course, by "free trade."

Is it free trade or is it our brand of free trade?

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't think so. I personally don't believe they envisioned the bill of rights being used to completely erradicate christianity of any kind from government.

The Bill of Rights made clear that religious freedom was free from government interference. Why must Christianity be part of official state policy? Take a look at the UK if that whets your whistle. The Church is all but dead there.

[Marcus Bryant]

Is it free trade or is it our brand of free trade?

The brand where we outsource the manufacturing and the jobs, thereby displacing millions of Americans, all so we can consume more ? Or, where what we get out of it is financing for our prodigious public and private consumption?

[DarrinS]

The Bill of Rights made clear that religious freedom was free from government interference. Why must Christianity be part of official state policy? Take a look at the UK if that whets your whistle. The Church is all but dead there.

Caution. Thread hijacking in progress.

[DarrinS]

The brand where we outsource the manufacturing and the jobs, thereby displacing millions of Americans, all so we can consume more ? Or, where what we get out of it is financing for our prodigious public and private consumption?

Strangely enough, Honda and Toyota both make cars here and employ American workers.

[ElNono]

If the progressive policies were so bad for so long (50 years man!), how come conservatives didn't easily win elections there and turn it around? I mean, how bad can you really be?

[ElNono]

Strangely enough, Honda and Toyota both make cars here and employ American workers.

You mean assemble...

[spursncowboys]

The brand where we outsource the manufacturing and the jobs, thereby displacing millions of Americans, all so we can consume more ? Or, where what we get out of it is financing for our prodigious public and private consumption?

What about all the jobs from having companies being able to export there. What about the lower prices with the lower cost of living from buy products that are made cheaper? In automobiles, what about the better products with higher quality for less? I can only imagine a scenario like in Russia where an automobile will last for only a year. Had we not been able to export the microchip- how different this world would be after only thirty years of technological advancements.