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For. Happy it finally got passed, its a very watered down version but its the only thing they could compromise on.
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tons of debate on here sons. I wanna see a poll. simple question, simple answer.
For. Happy it finally got passed, its a very watered down version but its the only thing they could compromise on.
In spite of having to include some really, really bad to get it past the corps and doctors (avoiding their successful attack in '94), the bill also has some really good stuff.
The bad stuff will be addressed and the good stuff will get better. It's a battle won, with casualties, in hugely necessary, justifiable, non-bogus war for human decency.
Against. It's a poorly conceived bill that's destined to fail.
It's the end of the beginning...which really started under FDR. Sad day for America, but Marx and Lenin are chuckling in their graves "we told you so..."
...and so it goes.
If being against it means going back to what was the status quo until last tuesday, then I can't really tell you that I'm against it. I'm definitely not for it, since I think reform should have been quite different from this. I just don't know that it's so black and white, yes or no situation.
The bill utterly fails to address the (ostensibly) single biggest issue in health care in this Country; Cost. Fix that, and everything else is easy. Don't fix it, and nothing, ultimately, is fixed.
If Obama is so ing cool and with it how come he doesn't legalize the plants?
At least the South American commies are legalizing their .
Obama OTOH is forcing us directly into the hands of the pharmaceutical companies.
him. And don't say this is partisan...I was ing about the plants before he even announced his candidacy.
Obama fears no one and pwns big corporations...man of the people, just on 200 years of some sort of bi-partisan govenment, which is something both parties could have done before in the past, yet always managed to resist the temptation...and now the over contest is totally on between the parties and none of us, not a one of us, that actually live here, will come out the better for this.
If he truly fears no one and is as ballsy as you think...if that Democrat congress is what it claims to be, as it tries to play itself off as being as it legislates us into corporate servitude...they'll the legalize the .
I wipe my ass with health insurance. I could careless about it. I think it's the problem. It will be free to me, and I can say with all certainty, you can have it. I do not want it. I have zero intention of using it whether I have it or not.
Right...there's a difference between medical insurance and medical care. This bill has slightly lowered the cost of medical insurance as it made it mandatory, and it hasn't done jack to actually make the care cheaper.
Medical insurance, doesn't make medical care cheaper, it makes it more expensive. It also doesn't keep you from getting crushing medical debts.
It's like people truly believe they are never going to have to pay anything but a deductible and a premium for the rest of their lives or something and their medical problems are over.
I am for anything that pisses off whott, wc, jackiesommerset, spursncowboys, yonivore..
And that folks, is what's most important.I am for anything that pisses off whott, wc, jackiesommerset, spursncowboys, yonivore..
Against. This bill is a handout to the insurance companies without a public health plan.
"single biggest issue in health care in this Country; Cost"
agreed, the "cost" to patients is REVENUE to corps and docs. And they have many more $Bs to go "Harry and Louise" on reform much more dishonestly and aggressively than they did in '94. They had to be bought with ugliest compromises to get anything done.
What SPECIFICALLY is YOUR solution to control rip-off health costs in USA?
Other advanced countries have addressed this issue, and they still have private insurers, and still have plenty of doctors, and use the same drugs and medical technologies as the
USA.
NPR's "Sick Around The World" is an excellent survey of how other countries control costs while providing care for everybody, with no patients/families destroyed/beaten down into poverty and bankruptcy by medical catastrophe or even non-catastrophic care. USA is World Champion Loser when caring for its own people.
But I expect the nativists and USA supremacists won't watch "Sick Around The World" because they don't want to learn how inferior and childish the USA is compared to the other advanced countries.
Health care is a huge ing mess re ing the USA, with no solution in sight, while it was SOLVED long ago by other countries.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 03-24-2010 at 10:11 AM.
Are you talking about the PBS Frontline episode? Amazing show.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...roundtheworld/
i voted an extremely reluctant and pissed off yes.
right but it leaves the door open for public option. That accomplishes their goal.
it was either that or complete failure.
this.
I HATE this bill in most ways, but I like that insurance companies can no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. This makes it worthwhile to me.
I wish that the republicans had given voice to the things that they thought were good, rather than saying no to it all. If they had done so, I think they would be in better shape going forward. Now, just saying "Repeal and Replace" promises nothing, which is what they've come up with so far.
While I respectfully disagree with your conclusion that the positives outweigh the negatives in the bill, I do agree that the republicans have done a pretty piss poor job in opposing it. Given the ultra-partisan political climate of today I think it's a bit much to have expected the republicans to say "here's what we like about the democrats bill", but they should have at least come up with some semblance of a plan of their own. Instead of just mindlessly screaming SOCIALISM, the message should have been "their plan is too expensive, their plan won't work".
The republicans very easily could have put together something centered around republican-friendly concepts like tort reform, allowing insurance providers to sell policies across state lines, expanding HSA accounts and tax cuts. Would such a plan actually work? Doesn't matter. The democrats weren't interested in republican ideas. But at least that way the gop would have had the shots being directed at their ideas instead of at them for not having an idea.
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 03-24-2010 at 11:26 AM.
Fair enough.
The bad stuff will never get addressed. You're a dumbass.
I don't know yet. We'll see how it goes. But I hope it works.
Same. Not as optimistic as boutons about the bad stuff getting fixed, but we'll see what happens next.
I doesn't go far enough.
It needs more government control --- maybe something between Logan's Run and Soilent Green.
It's a move in the right direction- but I wanted a public option.
I do like that kids up to age 26 can stay on their parents' family health insurance because many young adults are uninsured.
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