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This would be freaking AWESOME! I can just imagine having my Beaver tickets and seeing us play USC, Oregon, and Texas all in the same season!
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From Orangebloods.com
by Chip Brown
The Big 12 meetings are reaching their climax Thursday and Friday in Kansas City with the presidents and chancellors from the league coming together to discuss pressing issues, including sites for championships. (Look for the Big 12 le game in football to stay at Cowboys Stadium for the next three years.)
But when it comes to possible realignment, the Big 12 meetings may be premature.
Why?
Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
Left out would be Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska and Missouri.
Messages left with Pac-10 officials by Orangebloods.com on Thursday were not immediately returned.
The six teams from the Big 12 would be in an eight-team division with Arizona and Arizona State. The other eight-team division would consist of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.
The thought is the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network that could command premium subscriber dollars from cable providers on par with the Big Ten Network and pay out upwards of $20 million to each of the 16 schools in TV revenue.
Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi.
Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008.
According to the Omaha World-Herald, the TV revenues paid out to the Big 12 in 2007 (the last year revenue was made public) were as follows:
1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million
AN OFFER THAT CAN'T BE REFUSED?
An invitation from the Pac-10 will be hard for the six Big 12 schools being targeted not to consider. Why? Because Fox Cable Networks (a division of News Corporation), which serves as the chief operating partner of the successful Big Ten Network, appears ready to make the Big 16 Network happen.
Fox is the chief television partner of the Pac-10 currently, and its subsidiary Fox Sports Net currently holds the rights to the Big 12 cable package, which comes up for bid in the spring of 2011. The Pac-10 also has television deals with Fox up for re-bid at the same time.
The Big Ten has shown the conference network model works. According to published reports, the TV revenue paid out to Big Ten schools jumped from $14 million for the fiscal year 2006-07 to $22 million for the fiscal year 2007-08.
A&M TO THE SEC?
There does appear to be some resistance to an invitation from the Pac-10 from at least one of the six schools being targeted - Texas A&M. According to a source close to the situation, A&M officials have had serious conversations with the Southeastern Conference about the Aggies joining that league.
In Thursday's editions of the Houston Chronicle, A&M athletic director Bill Byrne was asked if the SEC is an option for the Aggies should the Big 12 break up, and he said, "It might be. You know what? It might be."
Byrne, the athletic director at Oregon from 1984-92 before going to Nebraska, has been openly critical of having student-athletes travel west, only to return home at odd hours.
Byrne has used the example of when the Aggies had their men's and women's basketball teams in Spokane and Seattle for the NCAA Tournament in March and couldn't get back to College Station until 6:30 a.m. with students having to attend 8 a.m. classes.
It's no coincidence Byrne's example included cities in the Pac-10's dominant time zone.
There is also reason to believe Oklahoma could be enamored with joining the SEC. But that does not appear to be an option Texas officials would be willing to consider. There is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with Texas.
If A&M and Oklahoma were to splinter off and join the SEC, the Pac-10 would obviously have to revise its invite list.
Any move the SEC made in terms of expansion would likely cause the 15-year, $3 billion in TV contracts the SEC landed with ABC/ESPN ($2.2 billion) and CBS ($825 million) to be re-opened for negotiation.
The question would be how much more money the SEC could command in TV revenue without starting its own network?
A&M is starved for cash because its athletic department fell $16 million into debt and received a loan from the school's general fund to pay it off, causing a rift between the university and athletics. That rift, in part, led to A&M school president Elsa Murano to resign under pressure because she was pushing for the money to be paid back and was met with resistance by A&M system chancellor Mike McKinney, whose sons played football at A&M, and possibly even Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Aggie who is still very involved in the school's politics.
Surprisingly, the Legislature doesn't appear to be an obstacle for the state's two biggest schools to split off into separate conferences, although that is not an ideal situation for either school. If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports.
NEW OPTIONS
So after this weekend, there will be a new option for half the schools in the Big 12 to find a new home.
There also appears to be a chance Nebraska will not get invited to the Big Ten, which means the only school the Big 12 stands to lose to the Big Ten is Missouri. The Big Ten and its efforts to move south, thus far, have been rebuffed by Texas, which doesn't like the logistics of serving as the southern boundary of the Big Ten.
So the Big Ten continues to focus on Notre Dame and is seriously considering whether to invite Missouri as well as three schools from the Big East (Rutgers, UConn and either Syracuse or Pittsburgh) . Such a move would likely collapse the Big East, where Notre Dame plays its sports other than football, and might cause the Irish to finally acquiesce to joining the Big Ten.
If that happened, there would be a strong likelihood that four super conferences of roughly 16 teams could emerge: the Big Ten, the SEC, a collaboration of the Big 12 and Pac-10 as well as a collaboration of the Big East and ACC.
Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe warned against that when the Big 12 meetings started this week in Kansas City.
"I think it's very serious," Beebe said. "And I think it's something that we better be very careful about. If we come to a day where there are four 16-member conferences, then it's going to be a sad day, and it's going to be very difficult to not have more legal issues and interventions. The pressures will be immense for certain programs to be successful, (and) there will be less chances to win conference championships and national championships."
CAN THE BIG 12 SURVIVE?
Believe it or not, it's still Texas' goal to hold the Big 12 together, and simply create a non-conference football scheduling alliance with the Pac-10 that would help generate a big-money, cable TV deal for both leagues.
Such a move would continue to allow Texas to pursue its own network and create a unique, potentially lucrative revenue stream UT wouldn't have to share. If Texas ended up as one of the six schools going off to join forces with the Pac-10, it would likely have to forgo its own network.
Larry Scott, the Pac-10 commissioner, told Orangebloods.com recently his schools are "very interested" in exploring a conference network and that it would have to be an "all rights in situation."
Can Texas convince the rest of the league the Big 12 is the way to go? Would all the wandering eyes like Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Missouri commit to staying in the Big 12 immediately if Texas committed to staying in the Big 12 in light of the Pac-10 offer?
Missouri probably would not. The Tigers already have one foot in the Big Ten. But Nebraska has no assurance it will be invited to the Big Ten and could be left completely out of the power conference structure if it's not careful. Texas A&M doesn't have the resources to start its own network and doesn't appear eager to be in a league that allows Texas to generate added revenue. The same might be true for OU.
So the plot thickens. The Pac-10, which is hamstrung by geography and would love to have its sports aired into the Central time zone, wants a merger. And it appears ready to upstage the Big Ten in this game of musical conferences. No one would have its own network in the Big 16, which could compel A&M and OU to accept an invitation.
The Pac-10 doesn't want to waste time by going out on dates with the Big 12 with a non-conference football scheduling alliance. It wants to take half of the Big 12 and get married. Now, we'll see, who, if anyone, meets them at the altar.
This would be freaking AWESOME! I can just imagine having my Beaver tickets and seeing us play USC, Oregon, and Texas all in the same season!
I guess if enough people throw out enough rumors of expansion one of them will eventually stick.
I like the idea, but I'm not holding my breath.
No one wants poor Baylor....
Report: OU, OSU to receive Pac-10 invitations
By Staff Reports
Published: 6/3/2010 2:48 PM
Last Modified: 6/3/2010 5:58 PM
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could be invited to join the Pac-10 Conference, according to a report online today.
According to a story on orangebloods.com - the Rivals.com University of Texas site - the Pac-10 is ready to invite Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and four others from the Big 12.
The World's Dave Sittler is in Kansas City at the Big 12 meetings and spoke with the athletic directors at OSU and OU about the report.
OSU's Mike Holder offered only a two-word comment – one in English, one in Spanish: "No habla (speak)." He declined further comment before leaving the InterContinental Hotel and heading back to Stillwater after three days of Big 12 spring meetings.
OU's Joe Castiglione's reaction to the report was an incredulous, "Come on." Castiglione, who has repeatedly said OU will "have options" if the Big 12 disbands, said the Sooners have not had any discussions with any other conference about membership.
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott told the Associated Press his league has not offered invitations to any schools, including the six Big 12 ins utions mentioned in the website story.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextr...710&rss_lnk=93
I mentioned this like three months ago.
EDIT: Hahaha... I guess it was only a month ago, almost exact. I guess it's been a long month! Felt a lot longer...
My thoughts are the same. I get it. But the Arizona teams are getting the short end of the deal, getting placed in the same division as Texas/Oklahoma/Oklahoma State... that's going to kill their chances at a Division, let alone Conference le in football, and will make for one of the toughest divisions for basketball as well (assuming Oklahoma doesn't get too many sactions and can rebound from their recent issues.
I'll bite....whats up with the pic with him grinning like a hyena?
I don't like it, but if the B12 is indeed going to be everyone's cookiejar to rob, might as well force the hand yourself. 7 of the top 20 markets, plus OKC, Tucson, San Antonio, Portland. It would make any other conf in America envious, for certain.
It will be pretty interesting to see where all the teams land once all the dust settles.
I think in the scenario mentioned in the article that would force a lot of people's hands if the Pac-10 were to add 6 teams.
No doubt the SEC would respond as I would think the Big 10 would have to as well, which might force ND's hand into joining a conference.
I guess only time will tell.
Other expansion news FWIW
Big Ten expansion: E-mails hint eyes are upon Texas | BuckeyeXtra
Last edited by NFO; 06-04-2010 at 09:41 AM.
Everyone wants UT ... what a surprise, since they're the most profitable program in all of college sports.
By the end of this, Texas will have offers from the Pac 10, the Big 10, and the SEC. Must be nice.
Of course everyone wants Texas. It's a great school with lots of money. I hope they join the Pac-10 because I believe it's a good match academically as well as in athletics.
He's happy everyone is regurgitating his blog.
He's been talking about it all ing day. They're making some good points though. Listen if you can.
http://www.espnaustin.com/shows/bottom_line.php
he looks like he is getting ready to audition for Grease
I would prefer to go to the SEC even if it means splitting with Texas. Id prefer A&M have another Texas team join them in the conference also. If Texas and A&M move to the SEC that would be dream situation but Texas doesn't seem to be interested in the SEC as much.
and while we are at it some one should bring ND football back to being relevant.
Yeah because that has worked in the past 20 years. When was ND's last quality bowl game win, and beating Hawaii in Hawaii doesn't count.
Because academically the sec is inferior and Texas is looking to be in a tier 1 laden conference like the big/pac 10s
Whatever the reasons are... Texas can fit in with the pac-10. The city of Austin can fit in with those cities in California but College Station doesn't. Imagine the corp and the conservative Aggies travel up to cal-berkely and all those other liberal schools.
I really hope A&M will go to the SEC because that's where we fit in. I don't think that means A&M/Texas has to stop their rivalry either. FSU/UF, GA/GT are a couple of examples of schools that keep the rivalry by playing non-conference.
"pacific 16" just seems like a lame idea to me and I have no desire to go play ucla, stanford and schools like that.
Why does it matter that much? Is this just Texas' excuse because they don't want to go to a conference loaded with more powerhouse schools (and consequently higher risk that they'll lose a game or two a year, making it harder to reach the BCS championship game)?
Serious question, I'm not really trying to knock Texas. The only reason I can think of off the top of my head is a roundabout version of the above (lower academic standards at some of the other conference schools might make it difficult for Texas to recruit equal talent, leading to increased difficulty in maintaining their spot near the top athletically). That and 'prestige,' though I can't see how the other schools in the conference would matter as much as your own academic program in and of itself.
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