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Problem here is that it is Peru...for all we know, they were going to cut his balls off if he didn't confess.
Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, Peruvian government authorities said late Monday.
Van der Sloot could be formally charged in the case as early as Tuesday and will likely be held at one of three maximum security prisons -- Castro Castro, Piedras Gordas and Lurigancho, authorities said.
At his first court appearance, the judge may set a hearing date for van der Sloot and could order additional investigations in the case.
The Peruvian justice system often issues a lighter sentence in cases where the suspect confesses. That may have influenced his alleged confession.
There is no death penalty or life sentence in Peru.
A Peruvian police report leaked Monday said Flores was found in his hotel room on the floor, half-dressed. The report provides new details about the hours before Flores' body was found.
Van der Sloot, who was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, is in Peruvian custody as a suspect in the killing of Flores, 21.
According to the do ent, the Hotel Tac, where van der Sloot was staying, received a call from someone looking for him about 11 p.m. June 1. The receptionist forwarded the call, but no one answered. The hotel worker assumed that van der Sloot was asleep because the room key was with him and not the front desk.
About an hour later, according to the police report, the receptionist noticed that van der Sloot owed money for two nights and went up to his room, where her knocks went unanswered. The television was blaring, so the hotel employee figured he was resting, the report says.
Afterward, the hotel supervisor told the employee to go back to van der Sloot's room and enter using a spare key. When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said.
Flores was bleeding from her nose, the report said.
The hotel employee became frightened at the sight and went to alert her supervisor and the police, turning off the television and lights on her way out of the room, the report said.
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dead within 2 maybe 3 months.
Problem here is that it is Peru...for all we know, they were going to cut his balls off if he didn't confess.
They drove him to a hole in the forest and said confess or this is for you, the end
There's uninterrupted video from the second he went into the room with the now dead woman 'till the second he opened the door and came out and left, alone. Nobody else entered the room other than the maid that found the chick dead.
I wouldn't mind them stringing him up from his balls in order to get the confession, I really wouldn't
Is that pronounced Van der ?
Wait, isn't there a van der posting here?
Just more proof that torture gets results.
So what if he confessed. We have learned that we shouldnt take his confessions so seriously. For the holloway missing, he confessed 3 times, all 3 times differently and still they couldnt charge him, he still walked around like a free man. So this doesnt say anything really.
They need evidence.
A suspect can confess all he wants, but without evidence it's worthless. In other legal systems around the world, a confession is enough to put someone behind bars, but in the Dutch/Aruba legal system and I think also Peru, it's not enough.
As for the death, he 'confessed' it happened because she dared to touch and use his laptop on which alot of informations could be found about him and the natalee holloway missing. On the laptop she found out about his past and link to natalee holloway.
He didnt want Flores to know his past with natalee and he started freaking out and a fight broke out. He said that 'she didnt have the right to mix in his private life' In the fight he broke her neck.
And the reason because he was seeing flores in the first place, is supposedly because he wanted to find a rich girl, whom he could marry, because he was afraid for the future and saw little possibilities, so he wanted to be sure he has money. That's what some other poker player told.
Last edited by Bukefal; 06-08-2010 at 05:09 AM.
Evidence? Didnt you see the video? Looks pretty in cut and dry to me.
You know how it is. the conspiracy theorists, maybe Mouse, will say Spiderman came in through the window.
Now if he will just say where Natalie's body is, her family can have closure.
To you and me personally it is, but to the legal system it isnt 100% yet, It all has to be found out, even though he has confessed.Evidence? Didnt you see the video? Looks pretty in cut and dry to me.
Do you even know what you're talking about? There's video of him going into a room with the woman, then about 3 hours later coming out alone and leaving. The woman never left the room again, and no one else went in. Who the do you think killed her? Santa Claus?
It's because this time he didn't have his lawyer daddy to tell him what to say/do.
First of all I said, It isnt 100% yet, it has to be found out. The fact alone that there is a video, is not enough.
Of course he probably killed her, but all im saying is, it needs to be PROVED, even though we know it happened, it needs to be proved and shown according to the legal system.
They need to find more evidence to back it up that he indeed killed her. this video of him alone its possible that this is not enough as 100% to assume he really did it. Now they did found blood too on his clothes, now that's better evidence if it turns out to be her blood. Also they need to wonder wether they were alone, were there other people? They were also talking about some albanian guy. These are all things which have to be taken in consideration before assuming it legally.
He will most likely be convicted with this evidence, but im just saying that it needs to be sorted out.
Also im saying that a confession is not enough to convict someone. In some countries it is, but in Dutch legal system and also Peru legal system it isnt, someone can confess what he wants, but that does not mean he can be convicted, that is not enough to put him behind bars. In natalee holloway case, he confessed 3 times and they couldnt do anything. There needs to be strong evidence and more evidence and the causality needs to be proven, even though we know and can assume thats its there.
There is a difference between knowing personally, and knowing in the legal system. Everything needs to be found out even though for us normal people it's 100% clear and no doubt about it that it happened. And yes I know what im talking about because im studying law.
oh ok, case closed, nice detective work there butfukal
Um, I don't believe this is being tried in the States. I highly doubt it will be a "fair" trial.
If you dont have anything normal to say, then just stfu.oh ok, case closed, nice detective work there butfukal
I was just giving my reaction and telling what Ive read in Dutch newspaper about his possible motives. I wanted to share it, because those motives werent mentioned in US news articles.
Last edited by Bukefal; 06-08-2010 at 09:30 AM.
Well, I do think Peru legal system is harder and with harder punishments than for example in Europe, but I think it will be pretty fair. But yeah, its not like the Dutch legal system where he will walk free, even though the two are similar.
Have you forwarded your findings to the Peruvian authorities yet?
I edited my post, I thought you were saying that because of my respond to manumaniac, but i see you responded to my first post.
Those are their own findings, i just posted what ive read about it.
I saw these motives of joran being reported in dutch media while US media havent said anything about it. He has told that as part of his 'confession' and another guy there told the press about his possible motives for finding a woman. I just wanted to share about what they have found out.
Last edited by Bukefal; 06-08-2010 at 09:40 AM.
oh ok, case closed, nice detective work there butfukal
Mr. Van de Sloot.....should have stayed.....at the notell motel.
Im trying to inform in this thread about the latest reports on this and I get bashed for it, by a dip because he is a who immediately needs to find a way to bash someone, while he doesnt even understand whats it about. Do you get such a satisfaction out of this? Out of bashing others on the internet, because you never get the chance to do so in real life? Does it make you feel tough?
First I had no image of a real person with your username, now I do. Lol some pathetic piece of bag playing smart.
I always post in a normal and civilized way, but I cant stand assholes like you, worthless pieces of .
Now just GTFO
rofl. Yes I am very nice in person and everyone loves me, it's an affliction and I can't turn it off. So I come here to spurstalk, where idiots abound, and I let the scoffs fly. Its an outlet for me, and I get much satisfaction out of putting your little panties in a wad
oh hey, by the way, thanks for explaining the basics of the justice system to us mr big time law student
Now they also claim they have found natalee's remainings in Aruba - http://www.larepublica.pe/el-asesina...talee-holloway
Edit: Probably not true, because now they changed the article and the le from Habrían encontrado restos de Natalee Holloway to Principal
Retoman búsqueda de Natalee Holloway
Last edited by Bukefal; 06-08-2010 at 10:48 AM.
I don't know. I guess the parading of this guy to the press down there in a bullet proof vest didn't give me warm fuzzies about how he'll be treated at and away from the trial, but we'll see.
This dude doesn't have a snowball's chance in Peru. The girl he killed is the daughter of a wealthy politician in that country. He is hosed. In Aruba his dad got him off with his connections. This time the shoe's on the other foot.
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