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Yeah, I didn't like that call either. Given the discrepancy between the shot clock and game clock, we were going to be put in a tough position in the end if we didn't foul.
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Sonics inbounded to Nick Colison, I said in chat that the Spurs should have fouled Collison...who was only 2-4 and is only a 70% FT shooter.
I know the book says that you play good D and you should get the ball back with 4 secs left(turned out to be 2.2)
But my question to you is, if we are the better team, why not extend the game?
Foul Collison, he was shakey at the line last night...if he hits 2, then they have 26 secs to get a 2 or a 3 to tie. If he misses 1 of 2, then you still have 26 secs to get a lot better shot off to tie, then a quick shot like the one they had last night with only 2.2 secs left.
The better team should have more chances to win...extend the game....foul til they miss FTs and try to out score them, which they should be able to do.
The Spurs have shown that they are not good at winning games this year when they have 2-3 secs left on the clock...so why put yourself in that position????
Yeah, I didn't like that call either. Given the discrepancy between the shot clock and game clock, we were going to be put in a tough position in the end if we didn't foul.
if he makes both then you HAVE to make a 3.
and with both of their great 3 point shooters throwing up absolute bricks before that.
Not necessarily... If he makes both, you have 25 seconds or so to play with ... you could go for 2 and foul again.
Sadly though, the strategy should have worked... Tim had a good look at the basket on the last shot.
Yeah, I don't think you could have asked for a better situation. Tim with the ball in his hands with 2.2 seconds... that's something that need to happen more often so he gets more comfortable. I think Tim (and even Sean Elliot was commenting on this) is hesitating too much, letting the defense get set up. It looks sad when trash like Jarome James is getting easy slams, and Tim is having to work for his points.
Now, if Allen had made the shot, I would totally agree we should have fouled Colison
I think TD hurried the shot...he had a half second left to really get 1 ft closer...his shot was 6 inches short, so that little hurry cost them.
So frustrating.
Correction: They would have 24 seconds left to get a 2 or a 3, and Seattle would get the ball back with two seconds, needing only a point or a regular basket to win. I want the ball in the Spurs hands to decide the game. It didn't work out last night, but it was the right call to make....if he hits 2, then they have 26 secs to get a 2 or a 3 to tie
Yeah, the Spurs were hot...they did not score a FG for the last 4 and 1/2 mins.
so you foul them and go for a lower percentage shot.
Makes perfect sense.
I do not think Collison would have hit 2 FTs, he was looking like a Spur at the line earlier in the game and the two that he did hit bounced all over the rim before dropping.
At best he hits 1, then we score, play great D, then maybe get ball back with 2-3 secs left to wim, at worst go into OT.
Water under the bridge...it was just an observation...I am not depressed or anything...as I said, I predicted the Spurs to lose 2 games...so no biggie.
A shot with 2.9 seconds left typically IS a low percentage shot. And no room for error.
So are we talking about fouling a guy and potenitally needing a 3 to tie instead of having Bowen shut down Ray Allen and force him into a bad shot, giving the Spurs a chance at a Duncan six footer at the buzzer? Some of you guys are on crack. If there was ever a time that the Spurs played into their strengths and went with the percentages, this was it. Apparently there's no satisfying some people.
And what if the Sonics had hit a 3 with 2.9 seconds left?
Forget about what actually happened... nobody has said they weren't satisfied with the last shot. Nobody's blaming Pop. Nobody's crying about the end of the run. It's a simple discussion about what a coach should usually do in that situation. It worked out this time, but I would still rather foul in that situation in the future. You don't have to agree.
If the coach of the best defensive team in the league, with two first team all defensive players, whose team isn't shooting well, makes a decision to take the outcome of the game out of the hands of his defense and and instead fouls, forcing his team to have to potentially make a three to tie, instead of giving his hall of fame power forward a chance to hit a relatively easy jump hook over Vitaly Potapenko, I don't see how anybody after the fact could say it was wise. Thanks for allowing me to disagree.
Of course you're working under the assumption that Tim Duncan will always have a 6 foot hook over Vitaly Potapenko to win it. Sometimes it will be Manu or Parker driving into a brick wall or Brent Barry forcing a desperation three. Sometimes, Seattle will hit that shot and we'll be screwed.
In the future, I'd rather not take those risks on the chance that maybe we can get a stop AND find a decent shot in under 3 seconds. When the game is tied? Definitely, but not when we're down.
I didnt think Jerome James would complete a three point play but he made a free throw.I do not think Collison would have hit 2 FTs, he was looking like a Spur at the line earlier in the game and the two that he did hit bounced all over the rim before dropping.
Id rather play to my strengths and let the defense stop them then let them shoot free throws.
The bottom line is as great a player as Duncan is he is not clutch. He never has been and most likely never will be. That was plenty of time to get a good look for Manu or Robert Horry both of whom are far more clutch than Duncan. This was another case of Pop giving it to Duncan and saying "win us the game" because he is our biggest super star.
p.s. to all you guys who are going to cite the shot Duncan made against the Lakers last year, dont bother. One shot in a series we should have won and instead lost isnt clutch.
with 29 secs left i was sound asleep, rubbing up against a little pussy
Interesting take. I recall Duncan making a number of game winning shots, many this year, and the shot over Shaq was pretty damn clutch in my opinion. I'm not sure how the fact that nobody could hit a jump shot in the series makes Duncan a choker.
When nobody on the team is shooting well, Duncan is the most likely to be able to hit a shot cold, and his ability to create his own shot gives him an advantage, especially when there's very little time. I don't recall Horry being any more clutch than anyone else since he's been a Spur. I'd be willing to bet that Barry has hit more big shots at the end of games than Horry has. If neither Duncan nor Manu is shooting well, and there's therefore no hot hand to feed, I don't understand why anyone would think a 22 foot jump shot is better than an 8 foot jump shot.
As goto man, Tim will often be 1) in the low block 2) double coverage. As we see over and over, he's pathologically, excrutiatingly slow in his decision making, giving the defense time to adjust, to sag, to triple. I'm not convinced he's the 1st choice as goto man for last shots. I'd much rather have Tony, Manu, Brent driving and/or to draw a foul than a jumpshot from anybody.
Lets talk about the discrepancy of the shot clock and the game clock. I was figuring we'd have a minimum of 5 seconds--IF they used all the shot clock without taking a shot.
Instead Allen got off a shot before the 24 seconds was up. The buzzer went off when the ball bounced off the rim into the air. How did the rebound take 3 seconds?
"he's pathologically, excrutiatingly slow in his decision making, giving the defense time to adjust, to sag, to triple. I'm not convinced he's the 1st choice as goto man for last shots."
Do you even watch Spurs games? Duncan can be slow on the block when waiting for the defense to react. We've all seen over and over how adept Tim is at passing out of the DT. Why do you think the entire sonics front line was in foul trouble? They won't double team tim and allow him to beat them with his passing. Tim is one of the more clutch players in the NBA. He missed one, and you forget about his entire career. Get a friggin grip....
You said to foul and extend the game in the chat. I said no you play defense and that is what we did. 2 secs was enough for Duncan to get a pretty good look at the basket he was just short. It was a good shot nothing wrong with the possession so I have no idea what your ranting about.
Us scoring with under three seconds left in the game isn't exactly what I'd call a strength.Id rather play to my strengths
Jim has a legitimate point here, especially when super scrub Nick Collison had the ball in his hands with about 20 seconds left.
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