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    Pathetic but kinda funny. Are Republicans the Nazis and Democrats are the Russians?

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    The media is full of crap. What the was revolutionary about the health bill the Democrats passed? They just scaled our completely broken health system up. A public option or Medicare for all would have been a revolutionary package. Not more subsidies to private insurance.

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    So, I'll ask the same question I asked in another thread that nobody wanted to answer...

    What is a reasonable profit for a health care insurance company? 10%?

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    So, I'll ask the same question I asked in another thread that nobody wanted to answer...

    What is a reasonable profit for a health care insurance company? 10%?
    how much is saving a life worth?

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    how much is saving a life worth?
    Just answer the question. You hate the evil money hungry insurance companies. What is a reasonable profit for them to make?

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    So, I'll ask the same question I asked in another thread that nobody wanted to answer...

    What is a reasonable profit for a health care insurance company? 10%?
    When insurance is compulsory, zero.

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    When insurance is compulsory, zero.
    Compulsory insurance is a joke. The $700/year "fine" was just the camels nose under the tent of single payer. That doesn't cover two months premium for a relatively healthy individual.

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    When people's health gets placed below a companies profit margin, I have a problem with it...

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Just answer the question. You hate the evil money hungry insurance companies. What is a reasonable profit for them to make?
    how much is a life worth? If the question is, how many corners, treatments, drug costs can insurance companies cut in order to make a buck? It's hard to say

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    Will one of you insurance company haters please answer the very simple question? What is a reasonable profit? 10%?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    how much is a life worth? If the question is, how many corners, treatments, drug costs can insurance companies cut in order to make a buck? It's hard to say

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    You guys blame everything related to health care costs on the "greedy insurance companies"...so define greed...is 10% profit for an insurance company greedy?

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    You guys blame everything related to health care costs on the "greedy insurance companies"...so define greed...is 10% profit for an insurance company greedy?
    greed is denying coverage of someone sick because it would hurt the bottom line. greed is capping costs and denying people life saving treatment. greed is denying claims in the hopes of people just giving up..

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    The system may be broken but you guys have taken the bait hook line and sinker when Obama and crew demonized the insurance companies...

    Remember, a health care insurance company takes one monthly check from you or your employer and then negotiates rates with doctors, pharmacies, hospitals, surgeons, lab providers, surgery centers etc. and disburses the money to pay for your health maintenance. They hire tens of thousands of people to administer this task. What is a reasonable profit for them to make to take the risk of offering a flat monthly rate to cover these expenses?

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    What a bunch of ing pussies. Put a damn number down instead of just reading from your socialized medicine script. Whats a fair profit percentage?

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    I'm okay with a company making 70% profits as long as there are reasonable alternatives for people who can't afford such coverage or have pre-existing conditions. Which is why a public option was probably the best way to reform HC if reform was needed.

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    I'm okay with a company making 70% profits as long as there are reasonable alternatives for people who can't afford such coverage or have pre-existing conditions. Which is why a public option was probably the best way to reform HC if reform was needed.
    You have a lot more faith in our Federal Government than I do. I have NEVER seen them administer ANYTHING cheaper than can be done in the private sector.

    As for a reasonable alternative for those that can't afford private insurance...

    Why is that the responsibility of the Health Insurance Companies?

    The average after-tax profit of the big three Health Care companies bounces around year to year from around 2% to 8% and probably averages around 6%. Check it out if you don't believe me.

    On the other hand, Google has an annual profit percentage approaching 30%

    Why isn't it Google's responsibility to pay for those peoples health insurance?

    How has it come to pass that the Insurance companies are the only ones demonized?

    The simple fact is Health care is just too damn good and extremely expensive.

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    Remember, a health care insurance company takes one monthly check from you or your employer and then negotiates rates with doctors, pharmacies, hospitals, surgeons, lab providers, surgery centers etc. and disburses the money to pay for your health maintenance. They hire tens of thousands of people to administer this task. What is a reasonable profit for them to make to take the risk of offering a flat monthly rate to cover these expenses?
    The insurance companies take $1000/month for a family of 4 or more...and costs keep rising per year above and beyond the rate of inflation and salary increases...that in my opinion is corporate robbery...

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    The insurance companies take $1000/month for a family of 4 or more...and costs keep rising per year above and beyond the rate of inflation and salary increases...that in my opinion is corporate robbery...
    Really? The numbers don't lie. That money comes in and it goes right back out to pay for benefits.

    I know Humana lost their ASS on my company last year. I paid about $95,000 in premiums for employee/family and had a surge of huge claims...one guy had a heart attack and 5 bypasses, one guys wife got stomach cancer and fought it to the bitter end, another guy had to have major surgery on the head/neck region...I estimate they paid out $250,000 in claims for that $95,000 in premiums I paid...

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    In the example I gave 2 out of 3 were "cured". The third they spent a huge amount of money "extending life" even though she was clearly terminal.

    30 years ago there weren't the expensive life extending drugs/treatments available and they all three would have died relatively "cheaply".

    THATS why health insurance is so expensive now.

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    Really? The numbers don't lie. That money comes in and it goes right back out to pay for benefits.

    I know Humana lost their ASS on my company last year. I paid about $95,000 in premiums for employee/family and had a surge of huge claims...one guy had a heart attack and 5 bypasses, one guys wife got stomach cancer and fought it to the bitter end, another guy had to have major surgery on the head/neck region...I estimate they paid out $250,000 in claims for that $95,000 in premiums I paid...
    Duh! Insurance companies are charged exorbitant costs because health-care providers must make up money they lose from people with no health-care coverage....and they pay.....the public option would have created a big pool of payers and been able to cover the cost for those who do need care

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    I know Humana lost their ASS on my company last year.
    But Humana made a profit overall?

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    Yeah buddy. Trust the government to take care of your medical needs.

    The VA has done SUCH a great job...

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    But Humana made a profit overall?
    Around 5% last year. 2.8% the year before. Greedy bas !

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