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I'd be very, very happy for whottt to have something to gloat about.....I even bet on Barry to be the leading scorer this game at like 25-1 hoping it would at least help him a bit.
Gloat whottt, gloat!!
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I'd be very, very happy for whottt to have something to gloat about.....I even bet on Barry to be the leading scorer this game at like 25-1 hoping it would at least help him a bit.
Gloat whottt, gloat!!
C'mon slick. You earned this.
lol.
Keep it up Barry. We can handle whottt's gloating.
He deserves gloating. AHF too.
I new he had it in him, especially against poor defensive teams. He keeps it up for the next two series, then I'll gloat
This is Barry's style of play.
ing about Brent has been fully justified.
Brent's always been capable of doing all season what he did today.
Brent has a LOT of production to make up.
Today was an excellent start.
It's funny that Barry went off after quite possibly his single worst play of the season.
Good thing that wimping out on the layup isn't going to be the lasting impression.
and ill gladly eat crow all summer long.He keeps it up for the next two series, then I'll gloat
I hope im on an atkins diet laden crow diet all summer long.
MAKE ME EAT CROW PLEASE BRENT!!!
Today was a fantastic start.
I'm on board with the idea that this series is one that should allow Barry to excel, mostly for the reasons we saw today. He'll get open looks because the Suns will have to double Tim and he's patient enough to effectively share the ball in the kind of free-flowing offense that the Suns allow teams to play. He also can't be overly concerned with defense, because the Spurs know they aren't going to stop the Suns altogether -- I think reasonable fans knew this all along, though some in here disputed that idea, and to the extent that there was any question, Pop's comments after Game 1 acknowledged that idea.
Going forward, I'd be surprised if Barry shot this well and scored this effectively, but if he causes the Suns to be a step slow on double-teaming Tim, he's done all that the Spurs can ask. That's the idea with a perimeter killer -- he's here to help relieve the pressure on Timmy, and he's off to a great start.
Just stop calling the dude a choker or heartless, and don't ever compare him to Hedo again...Hedo tanked his way into a starting job and didn't care about winning, he cared about getting paid...look at what team he chose to play for(the team with the WORST record in the NBA last season) and then look at what team Barry chose to play for(the le favorite at reduced pay). Barry came here to win a ring...just like Bowen. Heartless players don't do that.
They also don't have one of the biggest games of their playoff career, on the road, against the team with the best record in the NBA, in the biggest game they have ever played.
When was the last time the Spurs won game 1 of a series in which they didn't have HCA...My guess is the Drob era.
Heartless and choking is worst label you can stick on a player and tossing it around lightly deameans the value of the word...save it for the guy that truly chokes, IE the guy who tears it up in the regular season and then totally tanks when he is wide open and being dared to shoot in the playoffs, and not one that has struggled adjusting to a new REDUCED role on a team that plays totally different style of basketball than he has ever played before in his career. And hardly ever sees important minutes in the 4th.
I give props to Pop for 2 reasons...
He used Barry as the back up PG and let him handle the ball...more than he has in any game this season...I think it's because saw what Barry did in the 6 against the Sonics.
I wonder why I have ed every loss Barry didn't get meaningful PT in the 4th.
Barry has been money when made a part of the offense
Last edited by whottt; 05-22-2005 at 06:43 PM.
Why in the do you guys think he's going to be more open? The Suns just learned the same lesson the Nuggets learned and that the Sonics already knew...he's not a ing choker. He's going to be less open...he's not gonna get two inches to get a shot off until the Suns face elimination...the flipside is Duncan will not be getting double teamed. D'Antoni is a smart coach...and daring the 17th best 3 shooter in NBA history to shoot is ing stupid. I dunno why you guys think George Karl and McMillian would do tha either...they didn't.
BTW Shoogar...if Barry was so nutless why the was he at the rim anyway? IT's getting to the rim that's the hard part...Unselfish does not = nutless. It was stupid though...just like it's stupid when he passes it to Nazr 15 feet from the basket...that's being unselfish to the point of stupidity.
Well, Hedo used to get to the rim all the time, too. And you remember how that usually turned out.
Props to Whottt. He took a lot of on this thread (from me included) but never backed off his man.
You were right, Whottt. We were wrong. I don't care if Barry sucks for the rest of the playoffs, winning game 1 on the road against the Suns is worth every penny we've paid you.
That said, I don't think he will back off. I actually thought he might go off in game 6 vs the Sonics after he hit that three, but then he fouled out.
So, props to Brent, and may the good shooting continue.
Last edited by MadDog73; 05-22-2005 at 06:56 PM.
BS.He used Barry as the back up PG and let him handle the ball...more than he has in any game this season...I think it's because saw what Barry did in the 6 against the Sonics.
Bowen isn't going to effective against the Suns and PHX will dare the Spurs to shoot, so Barry is a no-brainer.I wonder why I have ed every loss Barry didn't get meaningful PT in the 4th.
I had a good feeling about him coming into the game. This is the free-wheeling, fast paced, let it fly type team he can burn. He's a great shooter and with the Suns daring the Spurs to hit a shot, he was going to hit some.
Barry played the role the Spurs needed him to and the Suns dared him to.
Yeah, Hedo would blow the layup...Hedo shot under 40% from 2...Barry routinely shoots over 50%...in fact he usually lead the team from that range...
It was a stupid play..he was up in the air at the freaking rim...but I know why he passed because Bowen's defender came towards him and Bowen was wide open...but Barry always passes that way...he doesn't watch his teamates when he handles the ball...he watches their defenders...the second one of them takes a step towards him it is virtually physically impossible for them to get back to their man with all their momentum going the opposite direction...that's why he passes so quickly...that's what makes him IMO a brilliant passer...but he does need to discriminate and use a little common sense...and catches his teamates off guard when he does it because they are looking for different things.
There was a game against Seattle where Barry made one of those passes to Manu...and Manu looked ing pissed...then he realized there wasn't a defender within 10 feet of him...and it freaked him out and he bricked the shot...but he was wide ing open.
But being unselfish can be a fault...
IE...don't pass it to poor Bruce when when ing Bruce is trying to get into position to get a rebound because you are position to dunk it, even with 2 defenders on you...and don't ever pass it to Nazr 15 feet from the basket when he is penetrating...that's carrying the "all teamates are equal" team play credo to the extreme...
Last edited by whottt; 05-22-2005 at 07:01 PM.
"Don't leave Barry open again, don't even let him get the ball" - Spoken by Mike D'antoni in the 4th quarter of this game.
Duncan has no lift and is short on a ton of his shots...it's a bad gamble to dare any shooters on this team to beat you...to stop a crippled Duncan playing on two bad ankles...
Key word being "again".
The Suns came into the game saying they'll let the Spurs shoot all the jumpers they wanted. Alvin Gentry even said that if the Spurs hit 50 jumpers and win, they can live with it.
That's why it added up to a big game for Barry. He's the best shooter on the team and would eventually get into a shooting rhythm.
And although Jim Jackson abused him sometimes on defense, the Suns run an up and down pace that allows Barry to use his quick hands and open court speed. This series is so made for Billion Barry to shine it isn't even funny.
yeah i could tell on those hook shots in the lane in the 4th quarter.Duncan has no lift and is short on a ton of his shots
Hey TimVP...I know Barry is shooting 49% from the field now and 42% from 3...
But since I still haven't mastered the art of subtracting a players best games to get an accurate total of their stats I have a hard time figuring out what his "real" stats are...could you help me out?
All I know is he quintipled balsy AJ's career playoff 3 total in a single quarter...I know AJ was never left open..but still.
I am just glad the Spurs didn't win by more than 10 points or else this game wouldn't have counted...
So what will D'Antoni's adjustment be?
Single coverage on Duncan all game?
Doubling off someone else?
Dusting off Outlaw/Bosco?
Pre-loosened water bottles?
Since this game wasn't over by halftime, it counts. Congrats.
Barry came through like he should against a team daring the Spurs to hit from the outside.
Congrats. Go celebrate.
Send me the bill.
D'antoni is not going to double off Barry when he is inletting the ball on 4 down...I know that....and most importantly...Duncan actually looks for Barry now and if he does Barry will get the same kind of looks Kerr got to hit those shots....Teams haven't been doubling Duncan in this post season like they have in other years anyway...
Duncan still has a second defender cheating towards him on most plays...but he's not getting fully doubled until the ball on the floor...
Phil Jackson was the master of guessing the weak link and was the only one that ever sucessfuly figured out how to disrupt the Spurs by doubling Duncan. He's not around so I don't expect extensive doubling of Duncan...As long as the other team considers Barry(and others) a threat on the perimeter Duncan's job is much much easier.
Last edited by whottt; 05-22-2005 at 07:37 PM.
The fact is that if the Spurs continue to get this kind of production from Parker, Barry, and Horry then Phoenix is helpless.
The only "adjustments" the so-called Phoenix "defense" can make is whether to decide to double Tim earlier in the game and earlier in the possessions. They aren't going to clog the lane and they aren't going to get physical.
I think their best shot is to continue to gamble that Tim's ankles won't hold up and that he'll force shots.
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