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$200,000? Damn.
$200,000? Damn.
LOL. Just another example of the cheating that goes on in SEC football.
These are allegations only. Apparently Cam's parents have done everything asked of them by the NCAA thus far, and no wrongdoing has been proven yet. I'll stay in a wait and see pattern for now.
lol convicting before anything is proven
If it is proven that anyone associated with the program or Cam himself were involved in wrongdoing, then they should be ing crucified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've had enough cheating, and the subsequent sanctions, to last me a lifetime from Auburn. The 93' team would've played for a national championship had they not been on sanctions.
Per Jeffrey Lee, AU Rivals writer...
More info regarding allegations... Reply
I've spoken to two very trusted sources on the situation, and both said the following are facts:
* Florida coach Urban Myer, Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen and former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond had a telephone conversation recently to discuss the allegations.
* Meyer had an interest in this story getting out and encouraged Bond to do so.
* Mullen told the two he thought they should move on, let it go, regardless of what was being alleged. Meyer said no, that it needed to get out to the media.
* Kenny Rogers, who is alleged to have sought money, is a desperate individual that was trying to get Cam Newton to go to Mississippi State. Rogers has a checkered past that includes an ongoing investigation by the NFL.
hmmmm, Urban Meyer huh? If true then the timing is questionable.
Also... This investigation has been ongoing since the summer, before Cam was a Heisman candidate or even a sure starter at Auburn. Both schools knew about the investigation. This also means that AU's compliance department was aware of what was going on and still cleared him. I seriously doubt AU is dumb enough, especially after getting hit so hard in the early 90's, to clear the guy when they knew there was an ongoing investigation.
Again, wait and see, wait and see... But I'm still nervous as . Many people will believe the worst even if Auburn and Cam are cleared. Could hurt AU's image as well as recruiting......
Incredible, there are already writers putting like this out: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...-trophy-110410
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...an-trophy.html
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...nalysis-110410
Probably kiss the heisman goodbye, Cam, even if you, your family, and your school are innocent.
Last edited by symple19; 11-05-2010 at 10:01 AM.
One of the things the NFL is investigating Kenny Rogers (the guy who asked for the money from MSU to deliver Cam) for is lying to the NFL about who he represents
and a more responsible article from SI's Stuart Mandel:
The 2010 college football season began under a cloud of NCAA-related scandals. Is it about to end in a cataclysmic thunderstorm?
Just when you'd forgotten about Marvin Austin and A.J. Green, Nick Saban's "pimp" speech and Reggie Bush's forfeited Heisman, another scandal has rocked the sport. Only this time, we're not talking about a guy from five years ago forfeiting his Heisman or a star receiver selling his jersey. We're talking about the undisputed brightest star of the 2010 season, Auburn quarterback Cam Newton, suddenly embroiled in seedy allegations at a time when his team is in the stretch run of a possible BCS championship berth.
To be clear, as of Thursday evening, neither Auburn, nor Newton nor his family has been publicly accused of any wrongdoing. Anything to the contrary is assumption or innuendo, and Newton is not being withheld from compe ion.
"I will say this very loud and clear," Auburn coach Gene Chizik said Thursday night. "Cam Newton is eligible at Auburn University. Period. End of story."
But an ESPN.com report Thursday details allegations that Kenneth Rogers, a former Mississippi State player-turned-agent who claimed to be representing then-recruit Newton, sought $180,000 from that school to sign the quarterback. Mississippi State turned Rogers in to the SEC, and at some point the NCAA began investigating Newton's father, Cecil, asking for bank statements.
"It's not true," Newton's father said Thursday night. "The allegations are completely unfounded, and we've retained an attorney. That's all I can say at this time"
SEC and Auburn have apparently known of the allegations since at least July, yet Newton has not missed a down. In most cases, if a player's eligibility is even remotely in question, a school sits him until the matter is resolved (as North Carolina did with several players earlier this season.) Either Auburn did its due diligence and feels confident Newton's family did no wrong, or it's taking an incredibly brazen risk in suiting up a player at the center of an ongoing investigation.
Whether guilty or innocent, the presumptive Heisman front-runner now carries an inescapable stigma. The kid with the big smile and postgame exuberance, the highlight-reel runs and pass-efficiency prowess, is now linked to the ugly words "extra benefits" and the eye-popping numbers "$200,000" (the figure Rogers claimed "other schools" had offered). It also shines new light on the increasingly pervasive and disgraceful practices of individuals like Rogers, whose company Elite Football Preparation holds camps for college prospects and claims to "match high school athletes with college programs."
He and others like him are the football equivalent to the shady AAU coaches that have long brokered behind-the-scenes deals for elite basketball prospects. The NCAA is only now starting to get a handle on them.
The state of Alabama is no stranger to pay-for-play schemes. One can't help flashing back to the name Albert Means, the Crimson Tide defensive lineman whose high school coach sold him in exchange for a promised $200,000 from boosters. The scandal wound up landing Alabama a two-year bowl ban and other severe NCAA sanctions. Auburn has a history of insidious boosters, earning its own bowl ban in the early '90s over benefits to defensive back Eric Ramsey. Former coach Terry Bowden claimed in 2001 that a horde of boosters were "paying players cash, $12,000, $15,000 to sign," when he first arrived in 1993.
But in both those cases there was a smoking gun -- Memphis high school coach Milton Kirk blew the whistle on his boss, Lynn Lang, for arranging the Means deal, and Ramsey caught an Auburn booster on tape discussing his scheme. As of now, we have no evidence that Rogers made any such demand to Auburn on behalf of Newton, or that any dollars ever changed hands. We only know what didn't happen -- that Mississippi State did not take up Rogers on his offer.
But college football fans are understandably skeptical. They've seen enough sleaze infest the sport over the years -- just during this year, for that matter -- to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire. There's Newton's admittedly odd statement to Sports Illustrated a couple weeks back that he had initially preferred to play for his former Florida offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen, in Starkville, but that he let his father make the decision for him. Cecil chose Auburn. And there are the mysterious cir stances as to why one of his father's churches, Holy Zion Center of Deliverance in Newnan, Ga., went from the brink of city-mandated demolition in 2009 to securing enough money to undergo renovations last spring.
For all these reasons, a cloud of su ion will more than likely hang over Newton for as long as he remains at Auburn, tainting what had been a thus-far redemptive story for the former Florida and junior college transfer. Will Heisman voters hold the pending investigation against him? Will it distract him or his teammates from the looming Iron Bowl showdown with Alabama and the possible SEC and national championship games that might follow?
Of most vital urgency -- is there a chance the best player in college football may eventually be shelved?
It's hard to imagine that will happen. If it was ever a possibility, Auburn would be grossly irresponsible to have played him to this point. But the fact it's even become a question is yet another unfortunate, unsurprising window into the underbelly of college football. And another agent-related scandal is always lurking around the corner.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz14Q8u6TzO
So, it's wait until everything is proven to see if there was any wrongdoing in Cam Newton's case, but the telling thing is that you, and you have to say you didn't, were one to crucify the USC situation as a done deal? I do think there has to be concrete proof if Newton had any actual part in it, but the lengths some people go to defend this situation and throw the stones in another is quite hilarious.
As reputation driven of a sport as college football is in its recruiting, ranking, and awards process, ESPN better feel pretty confident that this is the real deal. Even the NCAA has known about this for months and has felt it didn't merit an official investigation. If it turns out to be total garbage, the guys behind making this a national story should be called out on this. Seriously, these kinds of scandals can ruin a program.
As far as if it's true, I obviously only have as information as everyone here. However, it sounds to me like the recruiting process between Newton and Auburn was clean as a whistle. Auburn has shown they have had absolutely no association with the sketchy 'agent' in question, and the Newtons have shown they have no money to hide. The issue only involves his recruitment with Miss St.
If Cam was truly associated with asking money from Miss St, he should lose the Heisman, but Auburn shouldn't be punished.
Thayer Evans.
the homers in the college forum crack. me. up.
Why would Newton go Auburn if he was offered $180K to go to Mississippi State? $200K?
I think you don't understand the facts as they stand right now.
A guy claiming to represent Cam asked for $180k from a Miss. St representative, not the other way around. He was turned down. Auburn claims they have shown their phone records to the NCAA and absolutely nobody associated with the university has talked to this guy. There is no proof that anyone was willing to cooperate with the runner.
Again, right now the issue involves Newton and Miss St. Auburn is presently not involved in the controversy (other than the obvious fact that he plays here). Could this later expand to include them? I suppose.
I'm obviously biased, but as emphatic as Coach Chizic has been, I think his hands are clean. If he truly does have something to hide, he has balls of steel to say what he has. As I remember, Pete Carrol preferred to side step the Reggie Bush issue rather than confront it.
Exactly. There was concrete do entation and a paper trail involving the Reggie Bush fiasco. Here there is none, at least so far. I think the situations are very different.
Like I said before, if anyone from Auburn or it's associated departments is shown to be involved, crucify them and the program because they would deserve it.
And Blake making Homer statements is hilarious
Denard Robinson- Same stats. 2 less games. More NCAA records.
He just doesn't have a defense of any kind or he would be undefeated as well.
But knowing how the voters go, they will give it to Newton.
Denard Robinson - 8 fewer total TDs than Cam, A lower passer rating (by 17 points), playing against far inferior opposition, with 2 less games because he's fragile... oh, and 3 losses
Like Auburn does have a defense? Have you watched Auburn at all?
LaMichael James is going to win the Heisman anyway.
his chances are certainly looking better now...
why would you think me making homer statements is hilarious?
the other homer posts in this thread, including yours, are definitely more hilarious than what I said.
Any semblance of a defense and Michigan is 9-0. Any semblance of a kicking game and Michigan is 9-0. Any semblance of something not related to offense Michigan is 9-0.
Denard Robinson - 8 fewer total TDs than Cam, A lower passer rating (by 17 points), playing against far inferior opposition, with 2 less games because he's fragile... oh, and 3 losses
Like Auburn does have a defense? Have you watched Auburn at all?
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