Cancun temperature plunges to 100-yr record low

[DarrinS]

Irony alert

http://theweek.com/article/index/210...warming-summit

The irony: As negotiators from nearly 200 countries met in Cancun to strategize ways to keep the planet from getting hotter, the temperature in the seaside Mexican city plunged to a 100-year record low of 54° F. Climate-change skeptics are gleefully calling Cancun's weather the latest example of the "Gore Effect" — a plunge in temperature they say occurs wherever former Vice President Al Gore, now a Nobel Prize-winning environmental activist, makes a speech about the climate. Although Gore is not scheduled to speak in Cancun, "it could be that the Gore Effect has announced his secret arrival," jokes former NASA scientist Roy W. Spencer.


The reaction: ClimateGate was "bad enough," says Duncan Davidson in Wall Street Pit, but Cancun's weather is particularly "inconvenient" for global-warming alarmists. It's a reminder that global temperatures have "flatlined" despite rising carbon dioxide levels, "which is decidedly chilling against the concept of hampering economic growth to limit Co2 emissions." Grow up, says Tony Juniper in The Independent. "Sure, it's cold outside," but "the trend data show that the world is warming, that the climate is changing, and that the release of greenhouse gases is the cause." The longer we use every cold snap as an excuse to put off reducing emissions, "the bigger the risk we run. Tick tock, tick tock."

[DarrinS]

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[boutons_deux]

Get a ticket, fly to Cancun, score a AK57 and RPGs on the street market, and murder all these climate assholes. Bros will cover your costs, even advance them.

[DarrinS]

Nonsensical loud noises.

[Wild Cobra]

I just love how God has a sense of humor.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I just love how God has a sense of humor.

you're right ..he gave us you..

[rascal]

Another example of mixing up climate change with a single weather event.

[boutons_deux]

Extreme weather instability has been one of the predictions of global warming.

[Yonivore]

you're right ..he gave us you..

But, better than that, he gave us cold weather wherever the Global Warmists tread...

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

[Wild Cobra]

Another example of mixing up climate change with a single weather event.

I think you miss the irony. I think every time they go someplace for a global warming conference, the city has a sudden cold spell... Almost, if not, every time!

That's why I say God has a sense of humor.

Actually, maybe it's not that. Maybe he's showing the lib s they cannot play god!

[Yonivore]

I think you miss the irony. I think every time they go someplace for a global warming conference, the city has a sudden cold spell... Almost, if not, every time!

That's why I say God has a sense of humor.

Actually, maybe it's not that. Maybe he's showing the lib s they cannot play god!

It happened everywhere Algore went, there for awhile.

[Wild Cobra]

It happened everywhere Algore went, there for awhile.

I know, and these lib s act as if we are capitalizing on just one event. Do they ever learn?

[boutons_deux]

Repugs and conservatives, all shills and/or dupes of the carbon industries, "act as if" these weather events nullify 100s, 1000s of years of warming data for various phenomena.

[Yonivore]

Repugs and conservatives, all shills and/or dupes of the carbon industries, "act as if" these weather events nullify 100s, 1000s of years of warming data for various phenomena.

So, if it's "...100s, 1000s of years of warming data...," what the do we have to do with it?

Maybe the planet just gets warmer and colder. Ever think of that?

I seem to recall learning in science class that this here planet we call home has been a whole lot warmer and a whole lot colder -- several times, in fact -- and all before humans ever learned to light a fire.

[Yonivore]

Excellent article by George Will:

Apocalypse Now? Highly Unlikely

Paul Ehrlich, a Stanford scientist and environmental Cassandra who predicted calamitous food shortages by 1990, accepted a bet with economist Julian Simon. When Ehrlich predicted the imminent exhaustion of many nonrenewable natural resources, Simon challenged him: Pick a "basket" of any five such commodities, and I will wager that in a decade the price of the basket will decline, indicating decreased scarcity. Ehrlich picked five metals -- chrome, copper, nickel, tin and tungsten -- that he predicted would become more expensive. Not only did the price of the basket decline, the price of all five declined.

What's that got to do with Anthropogenic Global Climate Change?

An expert Ehrlich consulted in picking the five was John Holdren, who today is President Obama's science adviser. Credentialed intellectuals, too -- actually, especially -- illustrate Montaigne's axiom: "Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know."

The Global Cooling (anyone remember that?) scare is also discussed...

[MannyIsGod]

There was no global cooking scare. The VAST majority of scientific studies published prior to 1980 predicted warming.

[Yonivore]

There was no global cooking scare. The VAST majority of scientific studies published prior to 1980 predicted warming.

Were you alive in the 1970's?

In the 1970s, "a major cooling of the planet" was "widely considered inevitable" because it was "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950" (The New York Times, May 21, 1975). Although some disputed that the "cooling trend" could result in "a return to another ice age" (the Times, Sept. 14, 1975), others anticipated "a full-blown 10,000-year ice age" involving "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation" (Science News, March 1, 1975, and Science magazine, Dec. 10, 1976, respectively). The "continued rapid cooling of the Earth" (Global Ecology, 1971) meant that "a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery" (International Wildlife, July 1975). "The world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age" (Science Digest, February 1973). Because of "ominous signs" that "the Earth's climate seems to be cooling down," meteorologists were "almost unanimous" that "the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century," perhaps triggering catastrophic famines (Newsweek cover story, "The Cooling World," April 28, 1975). Armadillos were fleeing south from Nebraska, heat-seeking snails were retreating from central European forests, the North Atlantic was "cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool," glaciers had "begun to advance" and "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" (Christian Science Monitor, Aug. 27, 1974).

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

[MannyIsGod]

Were you alive in the 1970's?

Nope. Fortunately scientists get published which puts their science on record. Using the magical powers, we can go back and look at these published materials in order to ascertain what the scientists believe. Sometimes, it involves complex translation of English into English, but it is entirely possible through the concept of magic.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL @ George Will and his completely out of context references many of which don't come from science studies but popular publications.

Newsweek isn't a scientific journal publishing scientific studies.

[MannyIsGod]

George Will's game is old. He's been doing this bull for some time now. Real Climate post dated 2005 addressing him doing the same bull .

Every now and again, the myth that “we shouldn’t believe global warming predictions now, because in the 1970’s they were predicting an ice age and/or cooling” surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column (see Will-full ignorance) and the egregious Crichton manages to say “in the 1970’s all the climate scientists believed an ice age was coming” (see Michael Crichton’s State of Confusion ). You can find it in various other places too [here, mildly here, etc]. But its not an argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles under analysis. That doesn’t stop it repeatedly cropping up in newsgroups though.


I should clarify that I’m talking about predictions in the scientific press. There were some regrettable things published in the popular press (e.g. Newsweek; though National Geographic did better). But we’re only responsible for the scientific press. If you want to look at an analysis of various papers that mention the subject, then try http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-cooling-myth/

[Yonivore]

http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

If you can find me a reference saying otherwise, I'll put it here.

Hey, Manny, send him the Nine references from Will's article that predicted catastrophic global cooling.

I lived through the 70's, your source's position didn't see the light of day; much like, today, opposition to global warming is suppressed by the media and liberal elite.

See a trend?

Regardless of what your source's links NOW say, even if published then, that's not what the media was reporting in the '70's. In much the same way, the media is not reporting anything counter to the assertion global warming is occurring, even though that assertion is equally as published as AGW.

Thanks for making an excellent point.

[Yonivore]

George Will's game is old. He's been doing this bull for some time now. Real Climate post dated 2005 addressing him doing the same bull .



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-cooling-myth/

I'm not arguing that ALL scientists believed one way or the other. I saying you're being led around, by the nose, by the popular media.

[MannyIsGod]

So global cooling predictions in the 70s amounted to media and a handful of peer reviewed studies. The small number of papers predicting cooling were outweighed by a much greater number of papers predicting global warming due to the warming effect of rising CO2. Today, an avalanche of peer reviewed studies and overwhelming scientific consensus endorse man-made global warming. To compare cooling predictions in the 70s to the current situation is both inappropriate and misleading.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-...termediate.htm

[MannyIsGod]

Hey, Manny, send him the Nine references from Will's article that predicted catastrophic global cooling.

I lived through the 70's, your source's position didn't see the light of day; much like, today, opposition to global warming is suppressed by the media and liberal elite.

See a trend?

Regardless of what your source's links NOW say, even if published then, that's not what the media was reporting in the '70's. In much the same way, the media is not reporting anything counter to the assertion global warming is occurring, even though that assertion is equally as published as AGW.

Thanks for making an excellent point.

LOL @ suppressed. I don't give a what the media was reporting. This isn't' about media reporting. This is about scientists being right back in the 70s and George Will continuously trying to say that isn't the case and using it as ammunition against today's scientists.

They were right back then and they're right now. 35 years later people are till having trouble believing it. Amazing.