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HOLY MOTHER OF GOD WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT SHINY DISHES?!?!
Wait...
Problem solved.
Or, the fishes and environmentalists. Whatever suits you.
I've had this problem for quite a while and I thought it was our dishwasher.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...ont-wash-away/
Environmental bags strike again.
Since July, people have been wondering why their dishes are not as clean.
“I thought I needed a new dishwasher,” said Florida resident Gloria Share. “My dishes were very very filmy. I couldn’t even use them. I had to do it over by hand.”
Share wasn’t the only one. Frank Switalski of Perla’s Appliance Plus said they were getting a lot of complaints.“We were getting a lot of service calls because people were seeing film on their dishes,” said Switalski.
Now, over 7 months later, people are becoming more aware of what the problem is, and it isn’t because of their dishwashers. After studies showed that one of the key ingredients in dishwasher detergent, phosphate, was leaking into rivers and reservoirs, decreasing oxygen for fish and plants, environmentalists took a strong stand to ban the compound from detergent.
Forced to respond to a law that passed in July for 16 states, companies like Proctor and Gamble (Cascade) went back to the drawing board to create a working product that was phosphate-free.
Consumers have spent the past few months trying every trick in the book to get their dishes back to their original shine, with some tactics causing more grief than gain.
“People have come out and bought more energy efficient dishwashers, thinking that will solve it. People have been adding more soap thinking that will solve it. But when you add too much soap, it gets pumped into the motor,” said Mumma’s Appliance owner Seagrist Grace. “People are kind of clueless about detergent.”
Switalski emphasizes that if you learn a little about dishwashing detergent, the no-phosphate problem can be remedied. “As long as the rinse aid is filled or if you use Electrosol with the power ball in the center, your dishes will come out just fine.”
Other consumers have found similar solution. “I have Lemi Shine and I put that in my dishwasher and my dishes are fine,” said Share. Lemi Shine is the latest product released by Envirocon Technologies and is completely environmentally friendly, according to the manufacturer.
Several consumers told Foxnews.com that Electrosol has also been very effective post phosphate ban because it has working enzymes that cut grease and burnt on foods and includes Jet Dry Gel to produce shiny spotless glasses.
“I go online a pay $14 for the active ingredient and I add it to my detergent. I take satisfaction that I am defying ridiculous environmental rules,” said Marianne Sanders of Virginia. “I keep quiet about it though because everyone would be bent out of shape if they knew I was breaking the rules. There is nothing illegal about it, though. If you don’t use it, you actually use more water trying to get your dishes clean.”
When all else failed to find a phosphate subs ute, many people went right back to the original ingredient -- some people are even selling original Cascade WITH phosphate on Ebay.
Will this black market for phosphate be enough to convince lawmakers to reverse the ban?
“This is just one sacrifice we have to make,” said Grace. Dennis Griesing of American Cleaning Ins ute also sees no sign of phosphate in the future.
“There is no reasonable expectation that they will go back.” So will the ban actually do any good for the environment if people are still finding a way around the ban? Only time will tell.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT SHINY DISHES?!?!
Wait...
Problem solved.
Or, the fishes and environmentalists. Whatever suits you.
My dishwasher=My hand and a rag.
Weak. Did environmentalism cause shortages of hot water and elbow grease too?
Our dishes are clean here... no dishwasher though...
If I EVER read a Darrin post about feelings of en lement again.....
lol @ blaming your dirty dishes on some dirty ing hippies.
Threads like this are so good you could never make them up.
Is Darrin not en led to have clean dishes from his own dishwasher?
If I EVER read a Darrin post about feelings of en lement again.....
On a side note, I wonder why he blames DFHs instead of the makers of his crappy dishwashing machine.
He's en led to making someone else pay for the pollution.
I thought something was wrong with my d/w a while back. all of a sudden, bad film all over everything. Had to start using that Lemi-Shine stuff in addition to cascade (stuff works great).
I don't really have a problem with the ban, but it's a pretty silly ban. The phosphates in your dishwasher detergent end up in the same wastewater treatment facility (or septic system) that the rest of your domestic wastewater goes to. YOU contribute more phosphates to that domestic wastewater supply than your dishwasher detergent does. Instead to worrying about phosphates in your dishwasher detergent, the simpler and much more effective approach to reducing phosphates in surface waters would be to just deal with it at the wastewater treatment plants.
That being said, getting fired up about the ban is pretty silly in it's own right.
Cleaner for the Environment, Not for the Dishes
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/sc...h/19clean.html
Where do they sell that stuff?
Presumably is there an underground market for illegal cleaning products, for anyone so motivated. I really don't see what's preventing DarrinS from enjoying cleaner dishes in his own home besides his earnest wish the dishwasher. or the soap, do the task for him. If he's washing by hand and complaining he's just lazy.
Crazy of me to expect a dishwasher to wash dishes.
Right next to the dishwasher detergent. Very very difficult to locate.
It's crazier still not to adapt and overcome but whine about it here instead.
Have you noticed your new home seems a couple of degrees cooler than your old one? Have you noticed your lungs feel a little less cancery?
http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ban.html
Stupid hippie environmentalists.
they have long ended up in lakes and reservoirs, stimulating algae growth that deprives other plants and fish of oxygenIn the world of cleaning agents, where chemicals and fragrances can pose respiratory and allergy problems as well as pollute waterways, the environmental benefits of the switch are clear. Yet the new products can run up against longtime habits and even cultural concepts of cleanliness
Reports of burns, rashes, dizziness and scratchy throats among housekeeping employees have plummeted at North Central Bronx Hospital and Jacobi Medical Center since the staff switched to new cleaning products in 2004, said Peter Lucey, an associate executive director for support services at the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation. The number of lost days linked to injuries from the products declined from 54 in 2004 to zero last year, he said. “It’s the switch and the training,” Mr. Lucey said.Something of a mixed bag.Phosphorus pollution comes from multiple sources, including fertilizer and manure that enter the water through runoff. Dishwasher detergents contribute just a fraction, but environmental campaigners say any reduction can result in a tangible improvements. (Laundry detergents and hand soaps are already free of phosphates
Pick one:Crazy of me to expect a dishwasher to wash dishes.
Ban on phosphates
Tax on phosphates to fund remediation of pollution caused
Or he could wash his dishes by hand.
None of our glasses look like that out of the dishwasher. You're doing something wrong. Did you check to see if the water is on?
He could use the electrasol tablets they talk about; that's what we use.
All very difficult solutions.
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