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Do they have the numbers for firefighters and police as well?
Do they have the numbers for firefighters and police as well?
WSJ, just another VRWC (Murdoch branch) propaganda mouthpiece, starts with a lie:
"That's how many cents the public pays Milwaukee public-school teachers and other employees for retirement and health benefits for every dollar they receive in salary. "
really?
"There has been a lot of media coverage about the funding of pension systems across the nation. Is the WRS [Wisconsin Retirement System] fully funded and able to pay benefits? Yes, the WRS is fully funded and able to pay benefits to current and future WRS members."
In fact, Wisconsin is a national model for its fully funded pension system, which segregates the funds so they can't be raided as has happened in private sector firms and other states.
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/150068
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The real crisis for all retirees is not their pension, but getting raped by sick-care costs. That's a crisis for all Americans. Of course, WSJ would never touch the greedy, corrupt, fraudulent docs, hospitals, for-profit insurance companies.
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I wonder who Mr. Contrell is working for. Either he is working for an agenda or he really didn't do his research...In fact, Wisconsin is a national model for its fully funded pension system, which segregates the funds so they can't be raided as has happened in private sector firms and other states.
It's no surprise that public employees with guaranteed, publicly-funded pensions are resented by the private sector, whose "pension" is only funded by mostly at-risk 401k plans, many of which have zero employeer contribution.
Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
The war on teachers continues!
The NEA adopted union activities in the 1960's. Hmmm.
So it's the unions fault.. ok.. I guess you forgot to provide the graph that shows SOCIETY has changed since the 1960's..The NEA adopted union activities in the 1960's. Hmmm.
hmmmm
If it's that out of control, it shouldn't be a difficult case to make. Especially to the public. Why take away their CB rights?
Why is it that charts like this always get you so worked up, but a chart showing the widening gap between the very rich and the rest of the country is always class warfare?The NEA adopted union activities in the 1960's. Hmmm.
Damn those teachers living their lavish lifestyles in the lap of luxury...damn them all...
This is what I disagree with. What those numbers show is that one side of the table wasn't bargaining at all. When you concede to pretty much all demands, where's the bargaining?
Collective bargaining exists on the private sector too, and you don't see those numbers there.
That's because in the private sector both sides have to deal with economic realities such as the possibility of bankruptcy. Not so in the public services arena. There's nothing wrong with the concept of collective bargaining, but I think it's use should be restricted in the public arena. Especially when dealing with future retirement obligations such as pensions and long term healthcare. Defined benefit retirement obligations for public services have pretty much failed unilaterally across the nation.
I don't disagree with that at all. I just think it's a complete fallacy to conclude that what's wrong is CBA, especially after comparing against much lower numbers in the private sector which most likely have also been obtained trough the CBA process.
Mr. Costrell is professor of education reform and economics at the University of Arkansas
I always find it interesting when public school teachers get compared to private sector workers.
Agreed. In Wisconsin I think what we're seeing is a problem with the application of CBA, not with the method of CBA itself.
I doubt that compares to any of dan's internet degrees. Plus, he's clearly not as well versed as dan.
Human Capital as has to be employed as an analysis tool is because the populations are so fundamentally disparate, an alternate population set has to be created to even attempt a comparison between public and private sectors. That being said, it's a construct....and a bit of a squirmy one at that, IMO.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...eachers/Salary
Those are union-driven exorbitant salaries?
The VRWC attack on unions isn't about salaries.
It's about eliminating all potential centers of political opposition to the VRWC, eg, union contributions to Dems.
Maybe the two charts are related?
Not bad for working 9 months out of 12.
if you have a problem with it then change the school year..
Many teachers have to prepare and grade tests and papers outside of school hours, as well as buy lots of supplies out of their own pockets.
TX schools seems to be out of session only 2 months, not 3 months.
Teaching is for most cases a ty job, with, eg, TX teachers quitting teaching after 5 years.
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