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Neither. Alonzo Mourning is...you see his 6 blocks?
Who is better and why?
Last edited by mavsfan1000; 06-04-2005 at 10:57 PM.
Neither. Alonzo Mourning is...you see his 6 blocks?
Wade is more important to MIA and their future. Shaq wont last much longer, Wade is very young.
Wade has been... all along.
How did Shaq get second in the MVP voting then?
How did Shaq get second in the MVP voting then?
....That's what I was wondering...Who would you all have given 2nd place to? I'd have gone with Iverson.
Before the WCF I thought AI shoulda got it.
Wade>Iverson
Iverson doesn't have the luxury to play next to Shaquille O'neal for 82 games.
Miami would've still won 45-50 games without Shaq.
Philadelphia would be a lottery bound team without Iverson. They even managed not to get swept in the first round, against the defending champs, which is more then I can say for the Nets.
Also, I agree that Miami is not a bad team without Shaq. However, it's not like Wade doesn't a lot of help. The Jones boys, Haslem, Mourning, Laetner, etc. plus a great coach in SVG.
Wade is more important than Shaq. Iverson has shown so much heart and toughness that it isn't even funny comparing Wade to Iverson yet.
Iverson makes alot of dumb mistakes like turnovers, bad shot selection, and etc.
Yet, many people (esp. media) are even comparing Wade to Jordan...
WOW, you're not only comparing an all-star baller like A.I. to Wade, but you want us to believe that Wade is better.
A.I.
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 60 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Field Goals Made 18 2 Times 21 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Field Goals Attempted 36 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 42 vs. Houston 01/15/02
Three Point Field Goals Made 5 @ Milwaukee 03/01/05 6 3 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 9 3 Times 14 @ Chicago 04/07/97
Free Throws Made 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 24 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Free Throws Attempted 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05 27 vs. Orlando 02/12/05
Offensive Rebounds 3 2 Times 5 4 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 3 Times 9 3 Times
Total Rebounds 10 vs. Denver 12/14/04 11 vs. Golden State 03/30/01
Assists 16 2 Times 16 2 Times
Steals 7 2 Times 9 2 Times
Blocks 1 9 Times 3 vs. Chicago 04/17/98
Minutes Played 53 vs. Miami 04/14/05 54 vs. Orlando 02/02/01
Wade
Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 48 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Made 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 18 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Field Goals Attempted 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 33 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Three Point Field Goals Made 3 @ Indiana 03/31/05 3 2 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05 6 @ Indiana 03/31/05
Free Throws Made 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 18 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Free Throws Attempted 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05 23 vs. Philadelphia 03/07/05
Offensive Rebounds 6 @ Toronto 12/12/04 6 2 Times
Defensive Rebounds 8 5 Times 8 7 Times
Total Rebounds 10 4 Times 10 5 Times
Assists 12 3 Times 12 3 Times
Steals 5 2 Times 6 vs. New Orleans 03/16/04
Blocks 4 2 Times 4 2 Times
Minutes Played 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05 49 @ Philadelphia 04/14/05
Not to mention A.I dominated almost every category in the NBA
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.7) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.4) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3174.0) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(771.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1818.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(656.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(786.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Assists(596.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(180.0) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2302.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.66) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.49)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.92) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.89)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(9.0) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.72)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.8) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(344.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1865.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.87)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.59) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.2)
No need to post Wade's AVERAGE stats in those categories.
You can't compare greatness with role players. Wade will never be an all-star.
Need both.
Wade averages a lot of TO's also. I'll give you that AI may take bad shots sometimes, but looking at his team, I'd say he has the best shot at making something.
Nice find out the Stats to back me up. However, must point out, Wade was already an All-Star this year.
Chris gave the stats but, saying that Wade will never be an All-Star is kind of of far out, he made the All-Star team this year. He will be a great player but, it's only his 2nd year to start comparing him to such players.
My point was Wade will never be as great as A.I. I have tremendous respect for both players.
Last year Wade was a role player but he really has picked up his game this year. I wouldn't be able to tell if Iverson could lead a team to a championship but stats don't tell the whole story. Wade shoots about 7% better than Iverson from FG% and has averages 2 more rebounds. Without Shaq, Wade would have to score more points and do everything.
Wade 47.8% 24.2ppg 5.2RPG 6.8Assists 3.21Turnovers 1.57SPG
Iverson 42.4% 4RPG 7.9 Assists 4.59 Turnovers Steals 2.4
It is quality vs. quan y with Wade and Iverson
Last edited by mavsfan1000; 06-04-2005 at 11:07 PM.
but Iverson carries his team, he has very little help. Wade has Shag and a solid team to help him out.
Iverson carries his team but he also takes his team out of rhythm to get going.
For example Chris Webber played much better in Sacramento because he got shots in rhythm and often. He also turns the ball over alot which gives the other team easy baskets. I just don't think scoring averages are that important. I contrentrate on assists/turnover ratio, fg%, ft%, 3pt%, rebounding, blocks, and steals.
Last edited by mavsfan1000; 06-05-2005 at 02:32 AM.
Miama ed up by trading away its core for a guy name shaq, they still wouldve been compe ive in teh east IMO. This trade is only for the short term, and after shaq leaves wade will be the only man left at the club and then they will have to start rebuildin around him...
its funny because this same d-wade dropped 48 on this baller iversons bum ass team. LOL
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