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Yes, he flops a lot. He gets the crap fouled out of him too, but he flops quite a bit. I hope he doesn't start getting a rep with the refs and start losing calls over it.
Is Manu a flopper: Many opponents not fond of his dramatic falls
Web Posted: 06/05/2005 12:00 AM CDT
Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...2e1a8dfd4.html
It started, not surprisingly, when Denver coach George Karl opened his mouth. Having watched Manu Ginobili — legs splayed, arms contorted, neck snapped back, his long, dark locks whipping everywhere — crash into the Nuggets one too many times, Karl encouraged his players to grow out their own tresses.
Not only does Ginobili flop, Karl said, his flowing hair is also a convenient prop to draw fouls.
Seattle's Ray Allen chimed in next. If Ginobili was going to fall down anyway, Allen said, the Sonics' big men might as well help him.
The Phoenix Suns, Shawn Marion joked, were so impressed by Ginobili's alleged flopping during the Western Conference finals they planned to sign up for their own acting lessons.
Ginobili has more than enough evidence to refute charges he has gone from All-Star to All-Fake: the bruised left quadriceps he has been playing with for two weeks (either his second or third of the season — the team has lost count); the groin strain he has carried with him since March; the bruised right quadriceps he suffered plowing into Houston's Yao Ming; a sore back from his too-many-to-remember falls; hip pointers (left and right); and, not the least of which, the black-and-blue nickname Brent Barry hung on him, El Contusion.
"I'm 200 pounds and I'm slashing all the time, going against 300-pound guys," Ginobili said. "I'm telling you it's not easy to go finish, get hit and land on your feet."
More often than not, Ginobili lands with a thud. Lowering his head and driving to the basket time and again, he treats his body as if it were a bumper car, pinballing off defenders until someone has to scrape him off the floor.
"He just goes in there, takes a licking and keeps on ticking," said Sonics center Danny Fortson, who dished out one of the two flagrant fouls Ginobili has attracted during the playoffs.
Ginobili's relentless efforts to take the ball to the rim — and the high-wire moves he uses to get it there — have earned him the respect of his teammates and an ever-growing legion of fans, Karl excluded. They also have rewarded him with 144 free throws in the playoffs. Only Amare Stoudemire and Tim Duncan have shot more.
"He just frustrates teams because he's getting to the basket any time he wants," Tony Parker said. "He's just being aggressive and doing his thing."
Among the things Ginobili does, some of his opponents claim, is flop. Stoudemire was the latest to complain. After Ginobili wrapped him up late in Game 4 of the conference finals, Stoudemire shook loose, in the process flinging Ginobili to his back. Both players received a technical.
Stoudemire credited Ginobili with "a great acting job." Before the playoffs began, Ginobili rarely, if ever, heard similar complaints.
"I don't like people that cry a lot and complain and we had some in the first rounds," Ginobili said. "But I'm not going to make that change my way of playing, the way I feel the game.
"I'm just going to keep doing what I do."
What Ginobili admits to occasionally doing is exaggerating contact that has already been made. Flopping, he said, is different.
"Everybody tries to draw a call and make a ref see it," Ginobili said. "I can't even think of one person who doesn't do that."
The NBA also made it easier for aggressive, athletic players to get to the foul line this season by restricting the amount of contact defenders can make on the perimeter.
Despite the new emphasis, Ginobili grew frustrated early in the season over his inability to draw fouls. As the Spurs began to give him the ball more and more in pressure situations, he seemed to gain more respect from some referees.
During the playoffs, Ginobili has averaged nine free-throw attempts per game, more than three above what he averaged during the regular season. His ability to get to the line, along with his 3-point shooting, has made him one of the league's most efficient players. He has averaged 21.8 points during the playoffs, despite attempting only 12.6 shots per game.
"He's an All-Star," Rasho Nesterovic said, "and it's not flopping that got him there."
Ginobili isn't the first player to be accused of flopping. During Seattle's first-round series, Sacramento coach Rick Adelman said Sonics forward Reggie Evans, "goes down when the air conditioning comes on." Los Angeles Lakers center Vlade Divac is the league's most famed flopper.
Foreign players have a harder time avoiding the label. Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni, who enjoyed a lengthy playing and coaching career in Italy, said the prevalence of soccer in Europe has led basketball players to adopt some of that sport's flopping tactics.
The reputation, while mostly humorous, can have its drawbacks. Malik Rose, who is particularly adept at drawing charges, learned the skill from Divac when they played together in Charlotte. One veteran referee said he had no intention of rewarding Rose's "flopping" before a game last season. He made good on his vow. D'Antoni rates Ginobili's ability to draw fouls as "one of the best." "But," D'Antoni said, "he's also a great player."
Asked if he agreed with Karl's theory that Ginobili's longer mane gets him more calls, D'Antoni laughed.
"George," he said, "is just jealous because he lost his own hair a long time ago."
Notebook: The Spurs worked out Saturday for the first time since closing out the Phoenix Suns in the Western Conference finals. Ginobili (bruised left quadriceps) and Duncan (sprained left ankle) both practiced.
Parker said he didn't care whether the Spurs played Miami or Detroit in the NBA Finals. But wouldn't he rather spend a week in Miami than Detroit?
"Now that's a different question," Parker said. "I think Pop wants us in Detroit so we can't go to the beach."
Yes, he flops a lot. He gets the crap fouled out of him too, but he flops quite a bit. I hope he doesn't start getting a rep with the refs and start losing calls over it.
Asked if he agreed with Karl's theory that Ginobili's longer mane gets him more calls, D'Antoni laughed.
"George," he said, "is just jealous because he lost his own hair a long time ago."No kidding!
he flops, but he's not a flopper.
he pays his dues to get those calls. i'd say for every cheap call he gets, the refs swallow the whistle on one he deserves...
Last edited by bigzak25; 06-05-2005 at 12:53 AM.
Manu flops like a fish out of water, but it's part of what makes him so good.
Or deadly....
Wait... a fish out of water dies....
Nevermind... just call him the "Argentinian Assassin"
So trueAsked if he agreed with Karl's theory that Ginobili's longer mane gets him more calls, D'Antoni laughed.
"George," he said, "is just jealous because he lost his own hair a long time ago."
Manu flops but since he's also one of a basketball player and he gets us points at the foul line, I'm willing to overlook that.
I don't think the question is whether or not he flops, it's whether or not it's a good thing.
Yes, he flops....and seeing as how he gets the calls, yeah it's a good thing.
but unlike vladi and danny ainge, Manu takes way more abuse so the flopping is just drawing attention to the hard fouls the opposition is giving him. please dont buy into the bull that the rest of the national media does trying to discredit yet another great player that happens to play for small (media) town SA
I think it's the fact that Manu is playing with the Spurs and not the Lakers, Celtics, or Knicks, and also the success of the Spurs, is probably the reason for the complaints.
Like someone else said, manu flops as much or a little less then the non called fouls. Alot of the flops are when he gets fouled and he's just bringin attention to the foul.
umm...who gives a crap what everyone says...i'v seen iverson flop as much as manu...manu deserves his calls....he works he's ass off...2 bad im drunk...not much of posting..sorryyy..............
Asked if he agreed with Karl's theory that Ginobili's longer mane gets him more calls, D'Antoni laughed.
"George," he said, "is just jealous because he lost his own hair a long time ago."
Told!!!!!!!
Manu's fish flopping is great bait for the refs.
Without a doubt Ginobili is the new Vlade...But it wont hurt the Spurs one bit...
When guys like Vlade, Arvydas Sabonis and Rik Smits flopped it allowed Shaq to use his brute strength & throw his weight around "at times unopposed"... putting up 50 points a game...
Ginobili guards smaller players & he has his flops down to an art...Vlade would throw up his hands, start crying or simply fall down when a much smaller player would brush against him...Europe is teaching their players that the NBA is no longer falling for these theatrics...
It makes no sense to complain about flopping b/c it's never going to go away! The league would have to totally re-write the rules of the game and make it a non-contact sport. LOL!! Can you imagine the refs determining whether or not the def player was "acting" or not? It would be a mess!!
Rasho = the Big Aristotle."He's an All-Star," Rasho Nesterovic said, "and it's not flopping that got him there."
I don't know why people whine about Manu flopping. There really isn't a starting perimeter player anywhere in the NBA that doesn't flop.
[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]Is Manu a flopper: Many opponents not fond of his dramatic falls
Web Posted: 06/05/2005 12:00 AM CDT
Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...2e1a8dfd4.html
It started, not surprisingly, when Denver coach George Karl opened his mouth. Having watched Manu Ginobili — legs splayed, arms contorted, neck snapped back, his long, dark locks whipping everywhere — crash into the Nuggets one too many times, Karl encouraged his players to grow out their own tresses.
Not only does Ginobili flop, Karl said, his flowing hair is also a convenient prop to draw fouls.
Seattle's Ray Allen chimed in next. If Ginobili was going to fall down anyway, Allen said, the Sonics' big men might as well help him.
The Phoenix Suns, Shawn Marion joked, were so impressed by Ginobili's alleged flopping during the Western Conference finals they planned to sign up for their own acting lessons.
"He's an All-Star," Rasho Nesterovic said, "and it's not flopping that got him there."
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You tell 'em baby! My don't you look nice in assertive! () = )
Where's that Flop You avatar?
"Now that's a different question," Parker said. "I think Pop wants us in Detroit so we can't go to the beach.
Like Manu says he's more of an exagerrator than a no contact flopper ala Divac. There's no doubt he gets the contact and he makes sure the refs see it.
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