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Ask John Kerry.
Since I don't agree with gay marriage or abortion, I can't answer your question.
I know this has been asked and answered in various forms and in various threads throughout the virtual world of the internet but, just for grins;
Pope Benedict XVI Condemns Same-Sex Unions
How do pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Catholics reconcile their positions with that of their church...and remain Catholic?
At least Martin Luther had the decency to leave the faith when he realized he could no longer reconcile his heart with the teachings of the religion.
Just curious.
Ask John Kerry.
Since I don't agree with gay marriage or abortion, I can't answer your question.
That is a tough question to answer. But what you will find is that the majority of catholics are anti abortion and are against same-sex marriages. I have talked to pro-choice catholics and they have stated they are exactly that---pro-choice, not necessarily "pro-abortion". Many believe it is the right of the woman to choose but that they feel the pregancy should not be aborted. Most wish that abortion was not an option but don't want it to be illegal because women would have them anyway without the protection from unlicensed practioners.
As for same sex marriages, I for one don't care one way or the other, just don't call it marriage. Call it a civil union if you want to be legally jioned as husband and husband or wife and wife! Other Catholics I have talked to have similiar views, but there are also several that believe in strict adhereance to the Book of Genesis!
Don't ask, don't tell.
somehow, that little tidbit always flies past TRO's head..lalalala i cant hear you!!I have talked to pro-choice catholics and they have stated they are exactly that---pro-choice, not necessarily "pro-abortion". Many believe it is the right of the woman to choose but that they feel the pregancy should not be aborted
I'm pretty sure the church isn't "pro-choice" either. In fact, I'd say they're adamantly opposed to abortion and condemn those who receive them. Period.
So, how do you jibe a pro-choice position with that of the church?
how can you take a church's doctrine for how to live your life seriously when they cover up for their own priests who molest children?
We all know for a fact that the Church is pro-life. I believe that the majorty of Catholics are also pro-life, but there are some who could be considered pro-life and pro-chioce in the same breath. Yes, they would rather have the baby be born. But in a strict leagal sense, they are pro-choice for the sole purpose of preserving the woman's right to choose, not for her right to kill an innocent human being.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly.
That's a whole other hornet's nest that makes me wonder why Catholicism is still a serious religion.
Catholism is still a serious religion because it is the Original church of JESUS CHRIST. Now, before I say this understand I am not condoning any of the church's actions with certain priests. But you also have to know you cannot condemn the Entire church because of the action of less that 1% of its priest. Yeah, this is a very bad black-eye for the Catholic Church, but changes are being made to improve these situations.
The good that the Catholic Church and its preists do for the world as a whole far outweigh the bad!
BTW, There are Baptist ministers that have affairs and so forth. Does that mean we condemn the entire Baptist Church as a religion? No, of course not!
I can't say that I'm really a catholic other than in conformation only, but I think it could be a rather simple explanation.
I don't know anyone that is proabortoin, just pro choice. You don't want people to take that action, but that doesn't mean you have a legal right to stop them from doing so. Laws are not determined from church law, only your actions are.
And as far as same sex marriage, it's the same thing. The catholic church doesn't have to acknowledge the union, but government marriages are a totaly seperate ins ution.
It amazes me how some of the supposed straunchest believers are some of the ones who have such little grasp on the spirit of their religions.
How do you justify not making adultery against the law when it's against church law?
Some people of weak personality have only their faith to believe in, right or wrong.
We're not talking about law or the legality in stopping someone from marrying a same-sex partner or from ripping an unborn child from a womb.
We're talking about the Church's condemnation of the practices of abortion and same-sex unions, Manny. And, since you're not a "true" Catholic in that you don't really adhere -- or even try to adhere -- to church doctrine, I'm thinking the question wasn't directed at you.
What are you talking about?
The Holy See says that Catholic Doctrine condemns abortion and same-sex marriage and you see some "spirit" in the doctrine that allows Catholics to wiggle out of the condemnation or, at the very least, ignore the practice in others?
this isnt just a case of "a few bad apples"...cover-ups and hush-hush orders came from high places as well, including the current pope...archbishop flores really took the cake though, when after covering for his molesting priests he has the gall to ask parishoners of the church to write him checks for the legal fees to help these same priests! man of god my ass.But you also have to know you cannot condemn the Entire church because of the action of less that 1% of its priest
I'm Catholic, and there are things about my religion I don't agree with. But, I won't switch religions because I won't agree 100% with ANY religion.
May as well be Cathlolic. We are the coolest and love beer.
So because a few people did something wrong you condem the whole?
I think it's very simple to be Catholic. Be a good Catholic for yourself and not others.
Please read my other post. Cover-ups came from the highest levels.So because a few people did something wrong you condem the whole?
Not every Catholic is at a high level. I disagree with the elders of my church in some situations, but I wouldn't necessarily leave the church over those disagreements.
I don't see any inconsistency with being pro-choice and pro-gay marriage but practicing a faith that considers them to be immoral. It IS a legality discussion, because being pro-choice or pro-gay marriage is strictly a position on whether those practices should be legal.
I think the people you are really meaning to ask these questions to are the ones who have been directly INVOLVED in gay marriages and abortions.
Personally, in light of the Catholic Church's response to the pedophilia of even 1% of its priests and the practice of protecting financial assets at the expense of Christian principles, I think the Catholic Church long ago lost its moral authority and any serious and intelligent believer in Jesus Christ would have, by now, sought another community of faith with which to worship.
But, that's just me.
Anyway, I was more interested in how a true, believing Catholic who also condones abortion (under the guise of 'pro-choicedom') and supports gay-marriage, could remain in the faith when the Church's stance on the sanc y of life -- which, in Doctrine begins at conception -- and the sanc y of marriage -- which, in Doctrine is between a man and a woman.
You can leave the Church's moral lapses and corruption up to another thread.
But the Pope is, no? Ratzinger was involved in making the molestation allegations go away for Father Marcial MacielNot every Catholic is at a high level.
When Cardinal Ratzinger was asked about the accusations he brushed the questions aside. On one occasion he literally slapped the wrist of an American television reporter, Brian Ross, who had the temerity to raise the issue. On another occasion Cardinal Ratzinger said: "One can't put on trial such a close friend of the Pope's as Marcial Maciel."
Sure the Pope is, but Catholics don't worship the Pope.
Actually, if you are a Catholic, I suspect you've been confirmed. And, during the confirmation process, you learn and agree to adhere to the Catholic catechism, right?
I'll bet if you go back and re-read your faith's affirmations, contained in the catechisms and other creeds, you'll find that to be in good standing, indeed, to be considered Catholic at all, you must adhere to all of the Church's Doctrine. They don't allow cherry-picking in the Catholic church. Nope. Not likely.
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