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fix that bracket brah
Tim's still got it. Obviously, not during the course of an 82-game regular season, but I feel like he can still bring it in the playoffs. Say what you want, but these highlights are not those of a big guy who is "done." He simply didn't get the ball enough to make a difference on the offensive end. Instead, we saw our perimeter players jack up constested/out-of-rhythm jumpers on a far too frequent basis.
Tim should just watch film to see what post moves work for him at this point in his career (righty and lefty hooks, up and under, turnaround off the glass) and which ones don't (right handed fadeaway garbage on the right block). He also needs to work on making that mid-range jumper and faceup bank shot more consistent. Shooting is the last thing to leave one's game, so making his jumpers more consistent is a must.
This team needs some major frontcourt improvements, and MUCH better injury luck than we've had in the last 4 playoffs.
I wouldn't say that things should be blown up quite yet.
Last edited by TDfan2007; 05-11-2011 at 02:05 AM.
fix that bracket brah
Good points..he needs to become a 3 pt specialist while hes at it
Tim got the ball plenty of times, just not as good as he used to be, plus the grizz frontline was playing out of their minds. He also stopped shooting the midrange jumper in the playoffs for some reason, even though he was descent with it during the regular season.
Grizz frontline was tough, but not all world unstoppable. Let's give Tim Duncan some credit already. Seems like people keep forgetting that having one of the turd towers out on the court for half the game with Timmy played a big role in how much effort Duncan had to expend on defense. He was basically covering two guys for half of every game. It's no small wonder he was unable to contribute anything offensively.
I was looking at last year's playoff box scores, and Duncan played pretty well, with plenty of double-doubles. Of course, he shot the ball a lot more. I think he can still put up decent numbers, but the Spurs need more interior scoring. Consistently.
Tim Duncan is 34 years old.
He's done.
Too many miles man. Too many miles.
Actually he was 34 in last years playoffsThis year he turned 35 man
Isn't he 35 now?
Those games when tim had it going we could've of 1 especially game 1 he was ballin but he got no shots in the 4th quarter.
You sound like a ing fair-weather fan. Duncan is far from "done" but he needs more help. Believing he could do at 35, what he once did at 25, was the mistake that the front-office and fans made. His 12 & 10 is nearly identical to what "superior" players Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol did.
The lack of respect he get's from his own fan base is pathetic. Done? Really? I keep hearing that, yet he finished with the second best PER amongst all centers. PER isn't the be all end all and the center position is definitely weak, but still. You don't finish second if you're supposedly "done".
He just needs proper help. As much as I like McDyess, he no longer qualifies as proper help (at least not as a starter). Obviously, Bonner and Blair don't. Hopefully, they come to their senses and start Splitter next to him next season.
Robinson had fallen off more than Duncan has late in his career, yet all I used to hear and still hear to this day, is about the job he did defensively and his overall presence, etc. Why isn't Duncan being lauded for the same things? Why is he constantly compared to the player he was? I don't see anyone doing this with Garnett. All I hear about is his defense, intensity, leadership, not the fact that he's nowhere near what he used to be.
Tim Duncan is finished.
He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.
His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.
Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.
Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.
When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.
He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.
I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.
Sad days ahead until we find an adequate replacement. He was a treasure.
P.S. No one is saying he doesn't need help and would've been better had he been surrounded by better talent. Who wouldn't ? DRob was in the same boat as Tim but that point is moot. He had Tim !
My only hope is that the playoff Tim we saw this year was hampered even more by a bad ankle. If that's the case, then perhaps he will contribute in his final season.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 05-10-2011 at 11:19 PM.
Yup 2nd in PER among centers and he's finished. Kaput.Tim Duncan is finished.
He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.
His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.
Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.
Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.
When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.
He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.
I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.
And Matt bonner had the best 3PTFG% your point?Yup 2nd in PER among centers and he's finished. Kaput.
Newsflash to numbnutz (you): PER is a measure of more than one thing, it's actually a whole lot of statistics (offensive and defensive).
Matt Bonner can do one thing well: shoot uncontested 3's at an impressive clip. Good for Matty. Doesn't mean jack esp in the playoffs when teams simply switch 6'2" point guards onto him because they have no fear of his offensive aresenal. And really, given his career playoff % they don't even need to do that.
Are you serious? The difference is, PER encompasses virtually everything statistically quantifiable offensively, while three-point percentage is merely one statistical category.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...r%2fstatistics
Duncan finished fourteenth overall. Check the top twenty. It's probably not the exact twenty names you'd pick, but it's pretty close to the top twenty players in the league. You don't get near, let alone make the top twenty, if you're not playing at a high level.
He's still one of the better all around bigs in the game. The difference between him and guys like Garnett, Nowitzki and Gasol is, their teams have provided them with proper help (although, post-Perkins trade, Garnett no longer has that; but still, they're not asking him to guard guys significantly bigger and stronger, like Bynum and M. Gasol).
Yeah and the per helped us in the playoffs right?
When you have to continually guard somebody else's man all series long, (as Duncan had to) anyone's production would have taken a plunge.Yeah and the per helped us in the playoffs right?
You sure are showing the "best Spur ever" tons of respect. He isn't 25 years old anymore, expecting him to perform like one is moronic. Stop pining for what Timmy once was and just hope that the front-office finally sees his physical limitations and gives him more help. You've got Shaquille O'Neal playing at a s of his former self yet people don't scream for his retirement. Doesn't Duncan deserve the same level of respect? Especially from the only team he's ever played for. Or would you prefer to see him go out like Ewing, Malone and Olajuwon - Orlando, Los Angeles and Toronto respectively - playing out their last days in alien jerseys/cities?Tim Duncan is finished.
He rarely gets a rebound that doesn't land in his hands first.
His on-court awareness is atrocious and he's prone to getting the ball stripped out of his hands.
Because he can no longer get any lift from his shot, he is vulnerable to having it blocked by smaller players who can jump.
Tim's defense has been horrible for the last few years. Save for a few blocks now and then, he gets burnt on a regular basis.
When he gets to the FT line, we all know its an adventure. He shot up an AIRBALL in the opening minutes of a playoff game. The second shot barely drew iron. How can you explain that ? Poor FT shooting is a sign of poor mechanics but in Tim's case, it was also a lack of mental focus. Just inexcusable.
He deserves no more than 15-20 minutes of court time and at his salary next season, it will be a tough burden to overcome. We are better off if he retires and we can use the cap space to get better players in.
I HATE writing this message because Tim was and will be regarded as the best player we ever had and the best to ever play his position. He was a quiet leader and let his play do all the talking. This summer, I plan on popping in the old DVD's from the 2002-2003 season. That was Tim at his best. 2 time MVP of the league, Finals MVP and a closing performance that nearly netted a quadruple double.
P.S. No one is saying he doesn't need help and would've been better had he been surrounded by better talent. Who wouldn't ? DRob was in the same boat as Tim but that point is moot. He had Tim !
My only hope is that the playoff Tim we saw this year was hampered even more by a bad ankle. If that's the case, then perhaps he will contribute in his final season.
Spur fans have been spoiled......by the greatness of Timmy Duncan. Now that his play has begun to slip significantly they want him out the door. It took the Spurs 25+ years to sniff one L.O.B., yet Duncan - with the help of Robinson, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Horry and many others - gave them three more afterward. Ask the Portland Trailblazer, Seattle Supersonic, New York Knick, Golden State Warrior, Washington Bullet and Atlanta Hawk fans how fun it is searching for that championship formula that alluded them long ago. Cause we maybe doing the same after #21`hangs up his adidas.
Last edited by J_Paco; 05-10-2011 at 11:57 PM.
Tim's talent never went away.. He was the victim of bad knees. Not a lack of desire or know how. I also don't think its his age. He's just physically unable to do the things he once did. Marc Gasol and Randolph ? Are you kidding me ? He would've torn them up in his prime. Randolph would have been on the bench in foul trouble or T'd up for being frustrated.
Tim used to abuse Karl Malone and treated Greg Ostertag like a red-headed step child. We blew out the 3 time defending Lakers on their home court by 28 or 30 pts. That was with Kobe, Shaq, Horry and Derek Fisher in their primes.
I want Tim to retire a Spur. I'm not pining for what he once was, I'm just appreciating it. Unfortunately, his salary is based upon what he used to be and will hurt this team NOW.
You don't hear people dogging Shaq because he was finished a long time ago. He's playing for 1 million per year now right ? He's older than Tim and can't even get on the floor anymore. Shaq is in a whole other category and is going on out with a whimper. He's played for Orlando, LA, Miami, Phoenix, Cleveland and now Boston. That's sad.
Okay, that is the past. Deal with the team's current situation 'cause like Rick Pitino said about the 1980's Celts, "Timmy Duncan ain't come through those doors, again. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, David Robinson and Bruce Bowen ain't coming through those doors, again."
I agree with the OP however Duncan unfortunately hurt his ankle towards the end of the regular season and tweaked it again midway in the first round. Dealing with both an injury and an undersized roster made him look worse than he was....but then again part of being old is that it gets harder to finish a season healthy
However Duncan set the tone early in the series with 10 blocks in the first 3 games. He was also grabbing 11+ boards per game and was shooting over 50%. Duncan was also throwing down flashback dunks that we haven't seen from him all season before he re-injured his ankle.
But after he tweaked his ankle he didn't seem as active. Also he was defending Marc Gasol who is not only nearly a decade younger but also weighs at least 20 pounds more while possessing a wide variety of skills of his own. Duncan also had to help out a lot and since no one else has the size to defend Gasol it opened up the court for the Grizz.
With Dice retiring next season and the Spurs lack of size and athleticism on display in the first round, hopefully Duncan and Splitter will form their own twin towers. But that means the Spurs need to find a better answer for the back-ups than Blair and Bonner. An athletic shotblocker would be nice.
It also doesn't help that the Spurs have a lot of undersized players even outside of their frontcourt especially compared to the Grizzlies and OKC. Spurs never had a real back-up SF, didn't have an athletic shotblocking big, etc.
Last edited by Cane; 05-11-2011 at 12:11 AM.
I agree when bonner was with duncan it was 4 on 5 defencivelly. It was him against both zbo and gasol.
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