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sounds good to me...
http://politics.slashdot.org/politic...id=158&tid=219
Patriot Act to be Expanded
Posted by samzenpus on Thursday June 09, @05:39AM
from the big-brother dept.
m4dm4n writes "It seems that the patriot act is being expanded rather than scaled back after a vote late Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence committee. The FBI has gained new powers to demand do ents from companies without a judge's approval, as well as the ability to designate subpoenas as secret and punish disclosure of their existence with up to one year in prison."
sounds good to me...
simple queston. I ask you WHY?
Yup. Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments be damned . . . . this Republican administration is ALL about big government and limited civil rights. Screw the American way.
HEY!!! you stop right there fromwaydowntown!!!
You are blatantly being unamerican and if you keep that up i will call a police tip off hot line so they can check your harddrive and home without you even knowing about it! THAT is the american way! love it or leave it!!
Parlez vous ribbit?
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Try filling in the blanks because you can't due sheet about it
and that is so sad.
^^puzzlinglyscarypost
anyway i guess nobody here cares about the patriot act or what?
the thing about rights, is once theyre lost, you dont get them back HISTORICALLY
Big Brother Is Watching You.
this part is what i like. i don't agree withthe demanding do ents w/o a judge's approval...
things take time. if you have to reveal your cards before you play them they become worthless. also, we've had too many leaks and no one has been forced to suffer for their traitorous ways. even with this "up to 1 year" it doesn't mean anyone will serve time. it will at least make them think.
in many cases, you are right... just like the liberals violating the rights of business owners to allow smoking in their private businesses.
big brother will always be watching, thats not the issue
the issue is them legally being able to search your person, your house, car, property, harddrive, without a warrant, arrest you without a reason and lock you up, without due process, obtain and use your financial statements against you, or for no reason at all, and your medical records, and tap your phone, without a warrant all the we've fought for we're gonna give up because we're told it will keep us safer? havent yall read 1984 thats what the whole book was about
big brother doesn't have time to waste checking out mookie's petty ... the laws are in place for the big guys... intel is a tough and time consuming job. they don't just randomly tap people's phones for no reason, break down your door, etc..
don't give them a reason and you'll be fine...
yall say that but THEY CAN DO IT, if they made a law where mookie could regulate with glock 17s on whoever he saw fit. just don't make me pull my strap and you'll be fine? No Way
like i said once you lose freedoms, you dont get them back
Patriot act is skeery, and i cant believe we as a nation keep allowing them to take our rights little by little.
the liberals make up laws everyday to take away rights too. neither party is innocent...
so, are you saying that the regulation of public health (an exercise of the governmental police power) is the equivalent of undermining fundamental civil rights that are so ingrained in our society that they are among the guaranteed freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights?
I guess I missed that Amendment that guarantees an individual the right to smoke.
Screwing around with people's rights -- writing laws that allow the government to interfere in people's rights in secret -- is ananthema to the Cons ution. I'd argue that if you're for the Patriot Act, you've pretty much given up on the idea of patriotism that our Founding Fathers embraced.
the founding fathers weren't the greatest ing guys... they had slaves.. the they wrote was meant only for white men...
The CONS UITION was something i'd say they got right.
eventually it was taken for what it said, not how they took it at the time- as far as equality
You're right . . . . they had slaves so screw any of those civil liberties that they worked so hard to protect.
Even if they didn't immediately apply their wonderful ideas to everyone, at least someone who came later realized that it was the idea that had merit, even if the men who wrote those ideas were hypocrites.
The expansion of the Patriot Act is about limiting the ideas of the Founding Fathers -- it's about saying that government shouldn't have to deal with assuring that people's rights are respected, because it's more important that we get rid of bad guys. That idea worked really well in the Soviet Union (where those who challenged government had a nasty habit of disappearing, since the government never had to bother with publicly seeking warrants and stuff like that).
It's quasi-dictatorial; it's certainly not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
June 13, 2005
Video - Penn & Teller: The Patriot Act is Bull
Penn & Teller have a weekly show on Showtime called "Bull ". Every week they debunk some commonly held cultural myth.
Penn & Teller cuts through the crap and tell America the truth behind the Patriot Act. It's is a funny but damning video. It last about 17 minutes and it's worth the time.
Warning: This video contains some nudity, sexuality and profanity.
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any way you try to swing it.. the founding fathers did not want what we have now... they were for LAND OWNING WHITE MALES.... even poor white men weren't supposed to be treated equal. stfu!
So, the changing nature of society means that people really shouldn't have any rights, other than those that the President believes they should have????
Why don't we just elect a King? Or better yet, why bother with elections?
clan youre not gonna get away with arguing against the cons ution you asshole
The cons ution is merely a general guideline.
Sincerely,
The ruling party
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