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it still does not make for the fact he was ahead 2-0 in finals in 2006 and lost
and then 4 out of the next 5 did not get out of the first round
Honestly, this le should put Dirk somewhere in the 15-20 range with many more years left on his career to shape up that resume even more. This was really the one thing he was lacking ...... by time he's done, 10-15 looks golden
it still does not make for the fact he was ahead 2-0 in finals in 2006 and lost
and then 4 out of the next 5 did not get out of the first round
ahead of Duncan that's for sure
Fo sho.
a re for sure
Probably 18-20 range assuming he doesn't win another ring.
He's definitely a top 10 offensive player for sure, but most top 20 players are 2 way players for the most part. Can't really think of too many that weren't. Dirk is average AT BEST on the defensive side of the ball.
4 les and 3 finals mvps > 1 le and 1 finals mvp
still not an all timer
Just because you are white and a lot of Dallas people jack off to your 11 years of failures does not absolve you of ty defense for your whole career.
The best players always play both sides the floor
He'll look a lot better if he ends up being more than one and done... not that he's not a phenomenal player, though.
I was having this debate with a Mavs fan buddy of mine.
When i called him to congratulate him on his team's win ... he says Now will I put Dirk over KG? I still say no ...but it's an interesting debate. i still believe KG is the better all-around player but Dirk the better offensive one. but if Dirk puts up a few more seasons like this one, especially post-seasons even if he DOES NOT ring (again) he has a case ...
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2nd best PF of all-time behind Duncan
2nd best international player of all-time behind Manu
2nd best PF behind Duncan. If he's not there already, 2-3 more All-Star type years should make it.
amaso is right probably 18-20 all time ...
I will have him slightly higher cuz I dont rank player I have never seen ...
Definitely not top 10-15. It's not just the fact that he only has one championship, it's the fact that, great as scorer as he is, he's a one dimensional player. I'm not trying to rain on Mavs fans parade (honestly), but it took Bryant winning his fifth championship before the vast majority put him in the top ten. Nowitzki wins one and now he's right there? Don't be a prisoner of the moment and lose perspective.
I think he has a legitimate point to be in that conversation now...
Really don't want to talk about Dirk, but you know your stuff. Most of the greatest did in on both ends. Tim was just as dominant offensively as he was defensively when he was at his best. He anchored both ends of the court. Let's not go throwing Dirk above players just yet. He has a chance to really move up though.
He's an average rebounder for his size and a below average defender. But also the best shooting big man of all time.
dirk has trouble fighting thru a pick and roll
Don't you do this now, ducks. I've been a supporter of yours for too long now.
Yep, forgot to mention average rebounder.
Honestly, had Dirk been paired with another legit all-star or even a 1-2 punch with Kobe, Dirk probably could've peaked at ~10 even with his defensive deficiencies compared to other all-time greats. Alot of how we rank players is by cir stances that they couldn't control. Think about it, Dirk won a ring against 3 all-stars(2 "superstars") when his 2nd best player was a 6'2" SG who we all thought his best days were behind him. Yeah, Dirk didn't do it all on his own this series but still, it's amazing to think how offensively efficient he's been in his career without a true interior presence to relieve some pressure off of him, or even another legit scoring option that can consistently create on his own.
LOL. I like Manu but he's basically a rich man's Andrew Toney, tbh.
I'm not big on rankings but here's one group of greats it puts him among.... Superstars who won an NBA Championship without a Superstar teammate.
In my opinion, since the merger, that list is limited to Bill Walton (77), Hakeem Olajuwan (94), Tim Duncan (03), and Nowitzki (11).
Pretty fair list but who was Kobe's superstar? (after shaq)
Now if you say they won without an all-star team-mate that is different. but LOL at Pau as a "superstar" ...
You forgot Zeke
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