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  1. 06-18-2011 #1
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    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article.../country_first
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  2. 06-19-2011 #2
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    Plenty of neo-cons still want to bomb Iran to payback for the Embassy takeover and get at their oil. Somehow, St Ronnie gets a pass for chickening out in Lebanon and not going after Iran (lends credence to the theory that the Repugs did a deal with Iran that US wouldn't retaliate if Iran kept the hostages until Reagan was in office).

    If the Repugs were in the WH, they'd have troops and Halliburton all over Libya by now. There's no real change in Repugs towards isolation. They still will bomb the out of any Muslim country. They use Libya to harass Barry, plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boutons_deux
    They use Libya to harass Barry, plain and simple.
    IS Congress somehow waging the war behind the president's back, OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?? How is Barry "gettin harassed' here?
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    MR pAWLENTY'S hefty TAX CUTS TO THE MEGARICH AND ROSE=TINTED PROGNOSTICATING SHADES, WERE NOTABLY NOT MENTIONE3D @ the link.
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    I heard McCain pretty concerned with what he calls a tendency to isolationism in these new candidates. I think he's up for an interview with Christiane Amanpour this Sunday where he touches on this. Thanks for posting.
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  6. 06-19-2011 #6
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    "How is Barry "gettin harassed' here?"

    Repugs, and some Dems, are supposedly pissed that Barry didn't "consult" them, stroke their egos and overweening self-importance, so they're harassing him with these bull votes and quotes.

    UCA bombs Muslim countries with oil, Congress is really all for it (except the Repugs are pissed THEY didn't get the initiative and obstruct the Dems in EVERY case).
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    Quote Originally Posted by boutons_deux
    Repugs, and some Dems, are supposedly pissed that Barry didn't "consult" them, stroke their egos and overweening self-importance, so they're harassing him with these bull votes and quotes.
    Obama went against the advice of his top lawyers on this one. He deserves the flames.
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  8. 06-19-2011 #8
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    Thanks for posting the article, MB.

    There is a section of the recent history that I think is missed, however, in the survey of who did what when. It is that after the USSR fell and the republicans took control of congress during the Clinton administration, they were quite in favor of pulling out of any military engagements, while they did (theoretically although not practically) support the idiotic SDI initiative. Specifically with respect to the Balkans and the Afghanistan arenas, Republicans argued against the 'policeman to the world' posture that they accused Clinton of pursuing in the Balkans and Afghanistan. Part of their argument at that time was that since the USSR was no longer a threat, we should be able to enjoy a 'peace dividend', whereby we shouldn't have to fund such activities.

    So, whereas this article seems to present the Republicans as having a unified 'Reganesque' approach up until recently, that is simply not the case.

    The Republicans want to be isolationists when a democrat is in the White House, and if a Republican is in the White House, they claim that any foreign military action on the part of the U.S. is right and just and anyone who disagrees is a traitor and uninterested in keeping America safe.

    Obama deserves whatever he gets from anyone on Libya. While I agree that it is nice to get other countries (i.e. NATO countries) involved in helping to bear the burden, it is inconceivable to me that he thinks we should be involved in another military adventure while the economy is in such difficult straights. I wish Robert Gates were staying.

    I wish Gates were running for President from either party. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVAY
    I wish Gates were running for President from either party. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
    That would be an interesting option. Wonder what his criteria would be for a running mate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
    That would be an interesting option. Wonder what his criteria would be for a running mate?
    Anyone not named Sarah Palin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVAY
    Anyone not named Sarah Palin.
    Anyone not named Barack Obama...
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    "I wish Gates were running for President"

    Here's a thorough trashing of Gates from an insider.

    How Robert Gates' Lies and Cover-Ups Earned Him a Long, Prestigious Career -- At the Expense of the American People

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/151342
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Anyone not named Barack Obama...
    Why would a sitting president run for vice-president, WC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
    Why would a sitting president run for vice-president, WC?
    Why troll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2centsworth
    Why troll?
    Honest question tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2centsworth
    Why troll?
    Was Wild Cobra serious when he said

    Anyone not named Barack Obama...
    ?
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    It was a hasty post. I assumed the response was to Palin running for president.

    My intent was to indicate I would vote for who ever runs against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    It was a hasty post. I assumed the response was to Palin running for president.

    My intent was to indicate I would vote for who ever runs against him.
    its not just him. you vote for the r period
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    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    its not just him. you vote for the r period
    Not true. there you go lying again. I vote for 3rd party candidates regularly. It's just democrats I very seldom vote for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Not true. there you go lying again. I vote for 3rd party candidates regularly. It's just democrats I very seldom vote for.
    what 3rd party candidate for president got your vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    what 3rd party candidate for president got your vote?
    None of them yet. I haven't been paying much attention. Too soon. I haven't picked a republican either. I just know I will not vote for Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    None of them yet. I haven't been paying much attention. Too soon. I haven't picked a republican either. I just know I will not vote for Obama.
    so...you've never voted for a 3rd party candidate for president. so, i'm not lying. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    so...you've never voted for a 3rd party candidate for president. so, i'm not lying. thanks
    I almost did twice, and have for other offices. Your statement wasn't exclusive to president anyway, and a fraudulent assumption of my character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    My intent was to indicate I would vote for who ever runs against him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    Not true. there you go lying again. I vote for 3rd party candidates regularly. It's just democrats I very seldom vote for.
    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    what 3rd party candidate for president got your vote?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    None of them yet. I haven't been paying much attention. Too soon. I haven't picked a republican either. I just know I will not vote for Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    so...you've never voted for a 3rd party candidate for president. so, i'm not lying. thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
    I almost did twice, and have for other offices. Your statement wasn't exclusive to president anyway, and a fraudulent assumption of my character.
    maybe you can follow this if you spit out your gum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clambake
    maybe you can follow this if you spit out your gum.
    still doubtful even without the gum
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