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Poor handles? First time I've heard that. In fact, just based on what I've seen of Leonard, I'm gonna go ahead and say that his dribbling skills are far superior to Bowen's.
Wanted to compare Leonard with 2 undrafted Seniors.
1) Leonard 6'7 225lbs Junk Team
2) David Lighty 6'5 220 Good Team
3) Matt Howard 6'8 230 Good Team
PPG: 15.5 12.1 16.4
APG: 2.5 3.3 1.4
FG%: 44% 46% 47%
3%: 29% 43% 40%
RPG: 10.6 4 7.7
Add to that Leonard leads the way in TO pg.
Lighty is a better defender on the perimeter, handles the ball better, and is a smarter player. He has the three that we are looking for but his FT is horrendous. No mid range J.
Leonard is more of a genetic beast. Long decent body up defender. Solid rebounder. Great elbow J. Limited anything else. Poor handles and not very smart with the ball
Howard is better than Bonner and can be used just the same. Not athletic. But neither is Bonner. Howard is more consistent and doesnt let a wet fart when the pressure is on.
For Bowen 2.0 its Lighty for sure. Comparing Leonard to undrafted players hes not much to look at.
Poor handles? First time I've heard that. In fact, just based on what I've seen of Leonard, I'm gonna go ahead and say that his dribbling skills are far superior to Bowen's.
First guy is 6'5"
Second guy is like Bonner?
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Leonard is a F who turns the ball over more than Lighty.
Leonard has no range in the paint or outside the three.
It doesnt matter that Lighty is 6'5 he is a better perimeter defender, passer and 3 pt shooter than Leonard.
Howard is an example of replacing Bonner and his stats are better than Leonard's even though he played better compe ion.
I see "Can't Start Threads" in your future.
Good God, are you serious with this thread?
I guess you've never seen Matt Howard or David Lighty play, or have any idea who they are? In no way do they play the same position or have the same skills as Kawhi Leonard.
It would almost be intelligent to back up your comments with "real" examples.
Please read his draft file. Watch a full game he has played.
David Lighty could fit into the perimeter defender role that Leonard will play. Obviously you did not watch Pop use Hill the past two years did you?
Great try though. Lets get a questionable defender who cannot shoot the ball. GREAT JOB! This would almost be a good pick if we DIDNT NEED SCORING and someone to CREATE HIS OWN SHOT.
This just in, you are clueless.
You don't actually have to see them play when you have the numbers right in front of you.
The best part about homers are reading their responses.
well done
This is the first time I've heard this.
So if these undrafted guys are so good why did no one draft them.
If they are better or equally as good why did they not make top 20???
Your an idiot.
DX had Leonard at 14 in their final mock draft and as high as 7th.
Lighty was 53rd in their final mock and no higher than 37th.
Good reference, DX is.
Kawhi Leonard definitely has the physical tools needed in the NBA. The Spurs made a great choice with Leonard. The Spurs don't need another scorer. They need someone who can affect the game without needing to score. Leonard is a player who can provide a huge array of intangibles.
Leonard was also the main reason for that 34-3 record, and the NCAA tournament berth. He was the go-to guy on that team. You said it yourself that the others were on "good" teams. He shouldered enormous responsibility on that team and considering that he pretty much was the team, he was a great success. What did those other two guys do besides be role players on good teams? Have they ever had defenses geared to specifically stop them?
I will take my chances with Kawhi.
How does one "have no range inside the paint"? He must really suck. We should have traded George Hill for these two undrafted guys. Also, we don't need someone who can score or create his own shot. With Manu and Tony still on the team, there's no room for that. We really need defense and rebounding. I'm not sure why that's difficult for you to understand.
No Leonard could have gone as high as Toronto at 5 or Washington at 6.
While we're on subject of numbers here are some:
Matt Howard: 22 years old
David Lighty: 23 years old (???)
Leonard would be statistically better than both of them by his senior year if he had chosen to stay. The good team argument isn't that good. Teams probably doubled on Leonard more (I'm assuming) if the rest of his teammates weren't that good. Howard and Lighty were on Butler + Ohio State.
NBA players do not get drafted for where they are but rather where they are going to be, As much as I like Lighty he will never be bigger that 6-5. A SF in today's NBA needs to be at least 6-7. Avatar is only 19 years old, while Lighty is 23.
You consider that the players come from big schools, which makes them better, but in fact coming from a small school and achieving such success is much more difficult as you are still playing major schools. CBS draft gurus had him going 5, 6 or 8 in three mock drafts. Avatar is a solid player and will be here for many years to come.
In regards to Bonner I would even sign Qyntel Woods if it would get him off the team.
A much better question would be, why Cory Joseph instead of Shelvin Mack?
Do you suck at making pancakes too?
I would agree with the Lighty being undersized. But he is still a better defender than our draft pick on the perimeter. His ability to shoot the three is better than our pick as well.
No one can say if he would be "statistically better"
"range inside the paint" = he cant finish
this draft sucks and we took a huge risk. It would be interesting to see where he would get picked next year
Didn't know Leonard would be entrusted to be anything more than a defensive stopper.
George Hill couldn't shoot for when he got here and now he and are great corner 3 shooters, something Leonard will be taught. Do you really think a player has maxed before he gets into the NBA to really work on his game with the best of the best?
Thirty teams with full-time professional scouting staffs and a myriad of outside analysts like Draft Express and Real Gm who are also paid for evaluating prospects failed to see what you see in these two.
If you are proved right by the next season or two, then you need to quit flippin flapjacks and get a job with an NBA team.
I'm sorry pancakechef, but I don't see giving up George Hill, an undersized SG who tries to play PG, is overrated defensively, wilts under pressure and was having a hard time finding his role for a promising younger talent as a huge risk. Leonard's talents and focus' are directly in line with the team's needs right now. We need rebounding, we need defense and we need hustle. George Hill gave us one of those. If he doesn't pan out, then we've only lost a player who was still trying to find his place on the team.
We already have Lighty. His name is Danny Green. Green is also ahead of the curve as he was with the team last year.
Move on.
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