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Slavery and racism were not incidental to the Confederacy, in the Lone Star State or elsewhere. The Texas declaration of secession held as its first finding:
“We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.”
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State's Rights is just a code word for living how we want and doing what we want, Cons ution be damned.
well chronicled by Louis Farrakhan
They all fight now throw Fixed News...but they get their assholes checked....
crofl at the dudes trying to defend the Confederate flag plates in the comments.
This whole "Southern Heritage" line makes me chuckle because 1) I don't understand why anyone would even want a confederate flag and 2) most people with confederate flags can't explain why they want one either.
I don't understand why people Jones so much over the confederate flag... Trying to equate it with something like the swastika is hilarious.
I think a lot of these "leaders" going after 150 year old symbols that have vastly different meanings to different people could do a lot more good if they would focus on educating their cons uencies and followers how to think for themselves independently of their race. Of course... That wouldnt exactly be in the leader's self interest. The race card would be accepted far fewer places if most people stopped carrying it. Better to go after a 150 year old boogieman...
"150 year old boogieman"
the racist boogieman lives, as evidenced by assholes venerating the racist Confederacy and displaying the Confederate flag.
But it's ok to venerate the racist republic that declared independence in 1776, the founding fathers or Abe Lincoln?
It's bogus... It's a boogieman. No one flying a CF is advocating slavery. Everyone was racist. Most people of all colors still are to some degree. Hawaii and Alaska were admitted to the union before the civil rights act... We going to go after the stars and bars next?
A confederate flag Bikini is no more racist than FUBU pants.
Good thread
"No one flying a CF is advocating slavery"
straw man.
They're advocating white (and "Christian") racist supremacy, and exclusion of non-whites from "God's Country". The CF is a strong symbol, the assholes know it (tho they don't know much else), and it ain't a symbol of democracy and civil rights.
Just an aside since I remembered that I hate "talking" with boutons...
This forum has to use the term "straw man" more than any other forum on the interwebs.
You raised the strawman that CF was for advocating slavery, not me.
I don't think there is a good argument for restricting someone's right to display the confederate flag. The question is whether or not the government should display potential hate speech on its property. However, there is a strong argument that the flag isn't pure hate speech and has a political dimension.
Personally, if the klan has a cons utional right to have a rally at a public park, I don't see a good reason why you shouldn't have a cons utional right to have a confederate flag on a license plate.
That being said, you'd have to be pretty ing ignorant to want a confederate flag license plate.
Did you bother reading the article? Do you even know what strawman means?
Really????
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183984
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183875
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183761
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182853
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182809
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182369
Screaming "states rights" has pretty much always been just a jingoistic way to say that you dislike what the federal government's policy position on a particular issue is -- whatever that issue might be.
lol You seriously cannot compare the two. I don't feel black supremacy and white slave advocating when I see a black guy wearing those clothes.
Here is an example of what I see a lot in the defence of the confederate flag: "THEY WERE RACISTS TOO!!!" But it didn't really provide a reason why anyone wants to fly a confederate flag.
The American flag isn't seen as a sign of racism whereas the Confederate Flag is for a pretty simple reasons:
The United States of America won. The Confederate Stats of America lost.
For right or wrong, winner gets to write the history books. Had Hitler been able to conquer the planet, few of us would have a problem with the Nazi flag and we'd see American and British flags as signs of an ancient enemy.
In this case, I happen to believe the "right" side won both the civil war (and WWII) but the point is that's why no one goes after the American flag as a sign of racism, or a sign of the injustices towards native Americans, etc. The USofA won, and has since changed its ways. The Confederate States lost and was broken up as nation in support of slavery.
Should Russia, or Georgia, or the Ukraine, etc. have commemorative USSR license plates? Should Bavaria make a special National Socialists license plate? How about a Barbarian Horde license plate in Prussia or a Babylonia plate in Iraq?
Anyone who can provide a reason for wanting to fly a Confederate Flag, either on your truck, on your house or even in the privacy of your own home... please chime in.
For the record, I support anyone's right to fly whatever flag they want. I also support the right of other people to form judgements about you and believe you have no place to complain when everyone thinks your a Nazi when you fly a Nazi flag ("it's not fair people just assume!!!"). But I don't think ANY foreign flag, especially ones of countries that don't even exist anymore, should be on state-issued license plates.
Do you think the sons of confederate veterans have a right to meet in a public park?
Yes. The can even bring a giant confederate flag with them for all I care.
Then what differentiates a license plate from a public park? They're both government property, right?
People are idiots and find everything offensive.
Obviously the Civil War was about slavery AND state's rights. There is no way around it. For those who think the federal government has way too much power it means one thing, to those who want to see a racist symbol they do.
I don't have an opinion either way.
I do know people are way to sensitive in this country about everything. I could post an image of the German Coat of Arms and some idiot would cry that I was a racist. Who gives a ? Symbols mean different things to different people, move on.
Your analogy is flawed. A SOCV license plate is a single thing that has to be created by Texas. A public park exists regardless of whether SOCV groups meet there or not. The state does not designate SOCV public parks.
They're both government property being used for speech. Whether it has to be created (and who creates it) is irrelevant.
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