Do you blame him for the 1995 debacle? (Hakeem was unstoppable though)
WHat was your reaction when the Spurs shouldnt have traded him for Perdue?
(not that It really matters now, Duncan filled that PF spot pretty well)
He and Bob Hill were both stupid s in that series. I blame Hill more; the coach isn't supposed to act like a grade-schooler. The Perdue trade sucked, but no one other than Chicago would touch Rodman with a 10' pole after his act in the entire 95 playoffs.
Tough to say, Bob Hill was just as responsible for that mess
Rodman never guarded Horry, leaving him for wide open shots (I am watching Game 1 again over the last few days, so I am not pulling this out of my ass).
Robinson was consistently singling Hakeem, Hakeem would make his move, and the "help" defense would arrive when/after Hakeem launched his shots. Hakeem was phenomenal throughout the series, but I never understood why the Spurs never doubled Hakeem. Was it the fear of their 3 pt shooters? If so, why was Rodman even in the game when all he did was hanging around the basket? Why not let Rodman guard Hakeem 1-1 to lessen the load on Robinson?
I would say Hill #2, Rodman #2, Robinson #3 in the series.
Robinson didn't really went to the basket as aggressively to get Hakeem in foul trouble as much as he did in the the 1st quarter in Game 1.
BTW, Drexler was abusing Elliott and Del Negro endlessly throughout the series, just painful to watch.
Can't really blame him. I would be pissed too if somebody was constantly chasing me with a bible the way Robinson was that season
+1
look what happened when Rodman went to the Bulls and had a team leader who let his teammates lead their own lives without forcing a bible down their throats, Rodman became a team player. If D-Rob let Rodman party like Jordan did Rodman wouldn't have been a problem in 1995, but he just grew tired of being chased around with a bible.
Jamie Feick was the best ever!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your answers guys
And@ Axe Murderer.
Yeah I guess they were afraid of their 3 pt shooters; I mean, their bombers were unconscious during the 95 playoffs.
I agree on the fact that Rodman was a tad nonchalant on defense during the series; I pulled a few hair out because of that
And the fact that Drexler was rejuvenated during those playoffs didnt help
I didn't like Rodman for his play during the season either. He was a dirty player IMO> I saw him deliberately submarine under players when they went up for shots, endangering their careers if they came down wrong.
I don't care how many rebounds you get, that is NOT the way to play the game.
Y'Know, Amare was pretty ing unstoppable in 2005 and 2007, but because EVERYONE played their man, we won those series. You can have the pivot go off on teams like those, if you blanket the shooters,
Rodman wore a Spurs jersey, and that's about as close as he came to being on the team. He was definitely doing his own thing.
You're right about 2005. I think Amare averaged 37 but Spurs kept single coverage. I think if the Spurs had played Memphis single coverage they would have probably won. Because of not properly integrating Splitter and playing Bonner too much they couldn't use that strategy. Duncan should have guarded Randolph more.
Amen brother! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD
rodman was a team player before sa, when he won 2 championships with the pistons, i think sa was too controlling for him, so he didn't try as hard, there is no doubt, in chicago/detroit he gave full effort
The Spurs lost the 1995 WCF in the last minute of Game 1. It was a close game, but Robinson split a pair of FT at around the 1 minute mark, the Spurs got a stop -- a steal, actually -- and Sean Elliott got fouled on the break and missed both of his FT. Instead of being up 3 or 4, which they should have been, the Spurs were up 1.
I think Rodman basically decided he was done after Elliott's missed FT. He appeared to be the guy who was supposed to be guarding Horry (who spent most of that play hanging out above the 3 point arc and then took a dribble and two steps inside the arc to hit his game-winner -- un-Horry like, in retrospect); Horry, however, was all alone for most of that play. Rodman made a relatively half-hearted effort to drop down and get a steal after the initial play set up and then hung out in the middle for the rest of the play. It made some sense, given that Hakeem threatened the middle as the clock wound down, but when Hakeem found Horry all alone, Rodman was standing almost on the baseline and his man was above the arc and above the free throw line. Someone else should have rotated, but nobody did. Horry hit the shot, the Rockets stole Game 1, Rodman was mentally done, and the series was basically over.
It wasn't all Rodman's fault, but it would be ridiculous to say that he was blameless.
From what I remember he played great in the regular season then became a grade A asshole in the playoffs.
Rodman was very destructive his last few years with the Pistons. That's why he got traded.
The Spurs overcame Amare in 05 because they had an offensive juggernaut of a team with prime Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker and A+ role-players in Horry and Barry not to mention the greatest perimeter defender in franchise history in Bowen. That 95 team had one of the worst backcourts in the league and Person gave them nothing off the bench. That team was all Robinson, Rodman, and Elliott, and Rodman decided to have a fit that entire playoff run.
He was great for a long stretch during the regular season that year. He didn't start playing until early December and then he wasn't a starter until late January, but in the 26 games he started, he was terrific -- 8.5 PPG, 19.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, .564 FG, .763 FT
Then, he had a motorcycle accident (on a game day in March) in which he injured his shoulder, causing him to miss a month. The Spurs went something like 12-2 without him and things never seemed to be the same after that. When he returned, his minutes in the few regular season games that remained were pretty spotty, which I'm sure didn't help much.
Still trying to convince myself the er was never a Spur and all about 95 is just a bad dream. him.
And in his time with the Lakers and Mavericks too. Amazing that someone who put up monster rebounding numbers in both of those stops (11 a game in LA and 14 a game in Dallas) lasted less than half a season in the first and about 1/7th of the season in the last. So were Shaq and Cuban chasing him around with a bible too?
I remember Shaq just begging the Lakers to sign him in 99; he told them he wanted "a shooter (Rice) and a thug (Rodman)". And then Rodman all over him. Chicago was the only place Rodman could survive, because he knew Jordan would literally beat the out of him if he didn't try there.
This is true, Brent Barry was by far the most underrated player on that 05 Spurs team. There was one game in the 05 WCF Brent Barry won on his own with unconscious 3 point shooting in the 4th quarter (when a lot of the shots were contested and several feet behind the arc)
Still the 05 Spurs woulda sucked if D-Rob was trying to shove a bible down everybody's throat
Jordan's leadership is a factor, I agree.
But let's not forget that the Bulls did their due diligence
I believe KFC and Krause has a 1-2 hour meeting with Rodman before the 95-96 season
Plus. KFC is a ing hippie, so I'm sure It was a welcome change for Rodman compared to the Spurs culture
I remember that. Rodman's willingness to basically mail it in when he got frustrated/bored, whatever it was, was always hard to watch.
Even when Rodman was dialed in it was really anyone's guess as to exactly what he was going to do. I never viewed him as a "great" defender, or at least a dependable one, as he was out of position so often, and he was definitely an offensive liability. His gift was grabbing rebounds and that was it. Under Pop I think Rodman's head would have exploded. Pop's 'doghouse' would have been renamed the 'Rodhouse'. I don't think Rodman would have seen a lot of court time had Pop been coaching in that '95 playoffs.
Of course, some might argue that if the '95 team were a Pop coached team we'd of seen David and four guards out there against the Rockets, so there may not have been a lot of room for Rodman anyway.
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