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counterargument: duncan, tim
put ray allen on a team with tim duncan and he would look like Jesus without the last name.
Sorry if this was posted but...
This morning they debated on Cold Pizza that Manu was a top 5 player in the NBA. Skip was (of course) building Manu up as the greatest player in the league and the most exciting. Then that idiot Woody Paige bashed Manu saying that Wade, LeBron, Ray Allen, Kobe, T-Mac, and a host of others were way better. I don't know if Manu is the best, but why do you think that players that are sitting at home are getting more respect than the guy who is in alot of ways responsible for where we are right now? Do you think Manu's success is just because of the team he's on, or would he do as well on a team like the Lakers or the Cavs? I would think that the guy is hands down one of the best...first he leads Argentina to the gold and now is on the verge of a finals MVP (neck and neck with TD, IMO). Id the bias because of the fact that he's not from the hood?
counterargument: duncan, tim
put ray allen on a team with tim duncan and he would look like Jesus without the last name.
Mouse you have outdone yourself....
Not sure if Manu is a top 5, but he is really good and the most important he's dressing Spurs’ jersey.
Individual skills are one issue, how could you argue against that Manu is better than Kobe, Tmac, etc.
Fundamental skills ...no way to compare Manu with TIM
In my opinion, is how do you positive impact in your team, and in this key issue Manu is a monster, I saw him in many international games, when the game was on the line and he simply decided "I wont let this team lose" and in some cases Manu transmits his enthusiasm to everybody, in those games Manu is the most.
violent kitten isn't Mouse.Mouse you have outdone yourself....
someone didnt just call me mouse, did they?
purrrrrrrrrrrr
Fundamental and Manu in the same sentence.....sure....Manu top 5...yes Top five guards in the West. I love Manu....he's the only reason I still post on this site, and cheer begrudgenly for the hapless spurs. Having a good playoff run once in his career isn't going to make him better than the Jordan's, Shaq's, TD's and Kobe's of the past decade. Yes he's good....but please everyone take some reality pills. Like VK said...you put Ray Allen on the Spurs and they would win as well....you put Kobe on this team and you should just end the NBA. Having Kobe with TP and TD in the system that Pop runs....scary good.
Manu's not as flashy as Kobe or T-Mac, but he's just as capable of going off on any given night. Plus, he pulls some circus shots out of his ass just like the others. The difference is that Manu doesn't draw attention to himself. He went around screaming that he was the greatest and beating his chest after every dunk or jumper, maybe he'd be more respected.
while i wouldnt put manu on a top 5 level overall, i would definitely put him on the 'top 5 guys you want on your team if it is a playoff game' list.
then again, perhaps that should be the yardstick for ranking players, whether or not they show up when playoff series and championships are on the line...robert horry is definitely on the short list too.
fortunately the spurs have manu in his prime and locked up for the next 5 seasons. maybe they can cryogenically freeze robert horry and defrost him before the next playoffs...
Manu is Top 10 player
he's not as flashy.. most of his "circus" shots and crazy ass play is all flash...he's just figuring out the substance that goes on with it....it took him a few years to get into a groove with this team. I like his demeanor and he's all about winning first, not just promoting himself...most NBA players should look to this. Oh, I don't think he's capable of going off on any night....he's not built for it, plus he can't even play the heavy minutes like those players. Obviously, POP has him on a leash.Manu's not as flashy as Kobe or T-Mac, but he's just as capable of going off on any given night. Plus, he pulls some circus shots out of his ass just like the others. The difference is that Manu doesn't draw attention to himself. He went around screaming that he was the greatest and beating his chest after every dunk or jumper, maybe he'd be more respected.
I don't think Manu is at that level. He lacks the skills of a Lebron, Kobe, T Mac or the shooting touch of Ray Ray, etc.
I guess Manu would have gone as far as Kobe with those Lakers (it can't get worse). Of course playing with TD is a of a brake. Don't get this wrong, Manu is great but the only one Superstar on this team is Timmy.
Manu would never be as effective if the other team's defense went after him as they do with Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Manu is a team player. He succeeds playing team ball. That's the beauty of his game.
I DO AGREE
COULD WE?
Manu's top 10 in the playoffs.....
my bad... I thought your name showed up on that thread where we tried to figure out all of Mouse's aliases.
Woody paige =
he has picked against the SPURS these playoffs
I want to see him eat crow
Manu's top 2 in these playoffs...
I second that motion.... he has been the most efficient, most clutch, and has sustained a high level of productivity....
Let's not forget....Chauncy Billups was Top 2 in the playoffs last year.....big deal that is.
What i meant by not as flashy is that he doesn't draw the attention that a Kobe or T-Mac does. He goes out, plays his game, and wins. He's the only All-Star I know (besides TD) that would accept a role off the bench in the NBA playoffs. He's not an attention like the rest.
I'm not that sure that putting a more fancy individualist like Kobe would improve Spurs....
Perhaps it's true that Kobe is more individually skilled than Manu (IMO, not that much as hyped), BUT (a big but, like a Jlo's one) Manu is waaaay more a team player...Kobe's selfish at ude could even harm Spurs performance.
BTW, you say in other teams Manu would lower his performance, perhaps he'd have less company (would miss Tim&Tony) but OTOH, he'd also would have more shoots to make, and his overall stats would improve, cause he wouldn't have to share the ball as much as he does in Spurs...I guess the point is simple, check if player's stats improve or not when they go from a strong team to a weak team and viceversa.
Last edited by Dartherus; 06-14-2005 at 12:03 PM.
Well, he's drawing some attention now. The only way you could really compare Manu v. Kobe or McGrady is to see how Manu would fare if he was a team's #1 option for an entire season...
Big Pimp....
While I appreciate your passion of the Manu...I heard Iverson would take a bench role given the right situation....ok I'm joking....Look I appreciate Manu, I really do...but I feel Pop has the reigns on the team, hence the demeanor is translated...look at Big Dog....
MB OWN3D himself!
I think the best way to determine this is the old "who would you take scenario". Let's say the NBA decides to throw everyone in a pot and do a draft, how will you draft in the first round? As much as I love Manu, here are the list of the guys I would take over him and why.
Timmy - obvious
Shaq - As much as you hate him, you cannot argue with his size and ability
Garnett - Great big men are harder to find than great guards
Stoudamire - Amazing and hasn't even matured yet
Lebron - Great size, Great scorer, Great team player, Great potential
In the mix with Manu:
Wade - Very, very good and is much younger
McGrady - Can score, all spurs fans know that all too well
Bryant - Forget the at ude, you can't deny how good he is
Iverson - Can score, has heart, and will pass to those he trusts to score
Dirk Diggler - A very versatile big man.
So my call is that Manu is top 10, but is possibly on the verge of being top 5. Give him another year. If he produces like he has during the playoffs for the entire season then he is fighting for top 3.
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