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But at least Beltre was worth his contract this season and didn't dog it. He earned his paycheck.
Would have been better to sign both.
But at least Beltre was worth his contract this season and didn't dog it. He earned his paycheck.
Would have been better to sign both.
For 120 games. So he earned 75% of what the Rangers paid him.
overpaying wasnt the issue
lee had a better offer in both New York and Texas than he got in Philly. he took less to go there.
Yeah it's not like they chose Beltre over Lee. Lee loved Philly for whatever reason and took less money to go there.
only after texas lowballed him a few times and refused to offer him a 7th year. Then he called the Phillies and negotiated with them. At that point it was too late. He was committed to Philly and wouldn't hear any more offers. If Texas had blown him away with an offer right off the bat, he would have signed immediately.
Philly signed lee for 5 yrs and 120 mill.
Rangers offered 6 yrs at 138 mil.
I thought 6 yrs was too much to begin with and you wanted to give lee a 7th yr, you are truly dumber than I first thought...
Giving Lee a 7th year woulda been worth it for Texas given that they don't have a true ace on their staff.
Certainly a 7 year contract for Lee woulda been better than the contract they offered Bltre
I'd agree with that for the most part. The risk of Lee not being worth his salary in years 6 and 7 is offset by actually having him on the pitching staff for the next several years, with guys like Hamilton and Kinsler and Cruz in their primes. The team is set up to win right now. Cliff Lee on the Rangers for the next 4-5 years would be worth him eating up a 6th and 7th year of salary in his old age.
Jose Canseco, with the steroid goods, per usual.
With the exception of the NFL since there's a hard salary cap (so namely the NBA and MLB), a team that's set up to win right now shouldn't be fretting over offering an extra year to one of its best players. If you want to have that player for the next 3-5 years while you're a contender, you're gonna also have to give a 6th and 7th year which might suck but is necessary to give your team the best shot right now.
Beltre for 86 mil. over 5 yrs with an option for a 6th
Lee for 130+ mil over 6 yrs...
Lee did not want to pitch in the AL in my opinion..
There are only so many true aces out there, and you need 1 at the very least to win a world series (nearly all teams that have won it all recently have 2-3 aces tho). They coulda found production similar to Beltre's elsewhere, they're gonna need some luck if they ever want an ace who can fill Lee's shoes.
lee loss today 5 runs not so good
Lee is 0-3 with a 7+ ERA in his last 3 postseason starts, ouch......
Beltre 0-for-7 in these first two playoff games......
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It was nonetheless a silly post by you. You're going to go to three games that include 2 subpar outings by Lee. Go back to include the first 3 playoff games last year. And even with the two poor outings against St. Louis and San Fran, Lee has a 3.46 ERA and 0.89 WHIP and 56 K to 4 BB these two post seasons. And he's gone at least 6 innings in all but 1 of those 6 starts. Again that INCLUDES the two poor outings.
If you're going to be selective in your game sample, it works both ways for Beltre. How much money did the Rangers pay Beltre to go hitless in 2 playoff games?
Jose Canseco, BULLYING S
Do you even have a take or do you just follow JC around slobbering on everything he says? just wondering
It does not surprise me at all that you didn't realize that the 0-for-7 post was directly mocking your use of Lee's last 3 playoff starts to suggest anything about Cliff Lee, while ignoring what he did the 3 games prior to the World Series last year.
I'll answer your question honestly, then you can answer mine. If you take Beltre off of the Rangers, they would have still been in the playoffs this season because the AL West was winnable with or without Beltre and Nelson Cruz became a monster, Napoli a revelation, Michael Young a renaissance, and Kinsler still put up a 30/30 season. Would it have been closer with the Angels? Sure, perhaps. I think the Rangers would still have won the division. And I'll say the same thing with Cliff Lee and the Phillies. Because of the rest of their pitching staff, the Phillies would have likely still been in the playoffs. Worley pitching the way he did really helped. But the Phillies wouldn't have ran away the division and the NL the way they did. I'm not at all saying Beltre wasn't important to the Rangers' success at all this year. But you trying to minimize Cliff Lee's importance to the Phillies success this year is even more ridiculous. That's my honest response.
Moreover, you do realize the Rangers' game 1 starter of the playoffs gave up 8 runs in game 1 right?
Now for my question. Do the Rangers make it to the World Series last season without Cliff Lee?
Of course Lee made the Rangers a better team last season and odds are they probably would not have made it without his help. My whole point of posting in this thread indicate that it was Lee who did want to Texas and not the other way around. I never wanted to see a 6+ year contract for a 34 year old arm who probably only has 2-3 more seasons at most of ace type numbers. Honestly, I could care less about beltre's 0-7 hitting since the team as a whole will pick each other on offense, but he is truly needed at 3b on defense more so. Now that I answered your questions answer mine, have you followed the Rangers at all this season?
No I do not follow the Rangers, but I'm fully aware of how good a fielder Beltre is, especially compared to the current version of Michael Young. He's been a great defender for a long time.
As for Lee and a 6 year contract, let's get the facts straight first. Lee was 32 years old at the end of last season. He would be 37 entering the 6th year of a contract starting this season. At any rate, it's obvious they wouldn't have been paying Lee to put up Cy Young caliber seasons in the 5th or 6th or even 7th year of a contract. They'd be paying him for the next 3-4 years to be dominant and then hopefully still pretty good at the tail end. And if you look at other quality lefty starters, for example guys like Andy Pet te, Tom Glavine, and Kenny Rogers, that's more than a reasonable expectation. Especially if Lee could help the Rangers win a World Series and get them deep in the playoffs a handful of times, it would be worth it, even if he isn't worth his salary in the 6th season.
I have nothing to add, he's taking you to the cleaners without my help
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