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Stern suggests that owner's offers will get worse for players to account for NBA losses during missed games.
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssp...48484/32653464
The National Basketball Association and the National Basketball Players Association concluded more than seven hours of meetings on Monday in New York City without reaching an agreement on the framework of a new collective bargaining agreement. As such, Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports that NBA commissioner David Stern canceled the first two weeks of the 2011-2012 regular season, spanning from Nov. 1 to Nov. 14.
Berger reports that Stern said that a "gulf" still separates the owners and players in their negotiations and that the two sides are "very, very far apart on virtually all issues."
Stern also confirmed that the cancellation of the first two weeks will prevent an 82-game regular season. In other words, there isn't sufficient time available later in the calendar to make up the games.
There are currently no further talks scheduled, Stern said, according to Berger.
Stern was joined in the negotiations by NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver. The NBPA was represented by president Derek Fisher and executive director Billy Hunter, among others.
Earlier Monday, the NBPA launched a Twitter campaign called "Let us play," hoping to curry public favor and maintain solidarity amongst its ranks.
Monday's meeting was an extension of last-ditch talks that began Sunday afternoon. Stern set Monday as the deadline for cancelling the first two weeks of the season when talks broke down on Tuesday of last week.
This post will update with the latest on the NBA lockout.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern suggests that owner's offers will get worse for players to account for NBA losses during missed games.
LOL, goodbye NBA season. Thankfully, it looks like a banner year for NCAA basketball.
two weeks is roughly 5 games. No big deal imo.
Stern needs to drop the hammer and cancel the entire season. Only way to send the players a message they won't soon forget.
If Stern is serious about penalizing the NBAPA for the missed games so far then he effectively has canceled the season.
I basically wrote off the season months ago ... but recently started to believe clearer heads would prevail and they'd get it done at the last minute.
I'm dialed in to NCAA this year, whereas I'm typically just a casual observer. There should be a bunch of solid and compe ive teams. I'm excited. Screw the NBA.
I'd still much rather watch the NBA, but when the owners are demanding the players take a 12% smaller piece of the pie and force what is in all but name only a hard cap, I'm not getting my hopes up.
What happens to draft order for 2012 if the whole season is cancelled?
Exactly. If they are saying the deal is going to get worse as this goes along, that doesn't bode well. Things have the potential to get very ugly.
Nobody knows that at the moment. They will have to decide on that.
I don't think there's a rule in the books for that. It's uncharted territory, and man, would that suck to get stuck drafting at 29 again because of that abortion of a season.
Don't you wish there was a clause allowing Irving and DWilliams to play NCAA ball if the NBA is cancelled. What were those guys thinking...everyone saw this coming.
Those dudes are fine. They are making money from endorsements and such still.
Stern shouldn't be surprised. He basically started with an egregiously lopsided deal, then 'conceded' to a flagrant lopsided deal. I'm glad for the player's unity, and I hope they end up decertifying before they cave in.
They were thinking they'd be top 2 picks and therefore get the top of the line rookie scale deals, when they'd potentially slip a few slots next draft. There is no way the owners will give up the rookie scale and the players won't fight to get rid of it. I can't blame either of them for leaving when their stock was at its peak, though I hope they're smart enough to not take out really big loans this year.
Oh Well...
WE WILL RAMPAGE!!!
I hope the NBA collapses. Tired of the rigged games.
I'd love to see all the NBA players play in an untampered league.
Well, that's a huge fail for Stern.
As a commissioner he hasn't been been able to avoid 2 lockouts that cost games. You can take away all the good things he has done as a commish because these 2 lengthy lockouts negate everything. He has been exposed in these negotiations with his bully at ude.
I do hope the NRLB will come with a quick answer that will end the lockout.I don't see how desertification could help the players. Their best option is to try to create a new alternate league. If it's a serious threat, owners will come back crawling. Owners and the NBA is nothing without the star players.
NBA/NBPA negotiations:
looked like the owners werent going to really negotiate until November. except these player seem dug in. they've been preparing for years. kg who stands his last chance at a le and his last big contract was fighting for 53% BRI. ego, and principle are involved. i think for now the season is over with. the owners want the total destruction of the union and to implement the nhl owner amazing model, but at what cost? the nhl is barely starting to recover and will likely go back in the tank since their star cant recover from a concussion.
This. You never reach an agreement going backwards.
I can't believe the NBAPA isn't HAMMERING on the fact that the owners caused the work stoppage. This is NOT a strike, it's a lockout. The owners initiated the work stoppage.
Best bit I've read on this whole thing:
it's kind of unfortunate that guys like KG and Wade yelling have become the face of the issue (and they injected themselves into it).
It's real easy for the guys who already got theirs with rings AND have made over $100 million in salary and endorsements (over $200 million for KG) to puff their chests out and scream about holding the line at 53%. After all, they won't be hurting themselves doing it.
But they're the minority of players in the union.
I think the players could help their PR if instead of KG, Wade, and Lebron in media stories, the real bulk of the union were out there yelling for 53%. Let's see press conferences and hear negotiating room stories of guys like Chris Quinn, Hilton Armstrong, Brian Scalabrine, Stephen Graham and Keith Bogans declaring what's good for the union.
^^^ star power rules though. The average fan has no clue what KG made. They just know he's KG and "everything is poooossssiiibbblllleeee"
Highlights from this article: N.B.A. Cancels First 2 Weeks of Play
Although the division of revenue had appeared to be the greatest obstacle to a deal, both sides admitted Monday that it was the structure of the economic system that proved to be the most thorny.
The owners, citing an increasing compe ive gap between big-market and small-market franchises, want extensive new controls on team payrolls, including a punitive luxury-tax system that would impose as much as an 8-to-1 penalty for every dollar spent over a certain threshold, according to the union.
Union officials said that proposal would create a de facto hard salary cap, something they have opposed for decades.
“It’s just a hard cap in another name,” said Jeffrey Kessler, the union’s outside counsel. “And the players have made it clear that there’s going to be no hard-cap deal. And they knew that. So the only interpretation you can make out of this is this is a test to see if the players are going to hang together.”
According to the union, the N.B.A. also wants to reduce contract lengths to four years (for players with “Bird rights”) and three years (for non-Bird players), from the current six-year and five-year limits. Players signed using the midlevel exception, who had been eligible for five-year deals starting around $5.8 million, would be limited to two-year deals, starting at $3 million.
Honestly, all this.
Oh well at least I won't have to skip class to watch Spurs games.
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