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Beno was not the problem. Lindsay should be the focal point.
Let me preface this with the fact that I love Beno. I think he's going to be a very solid player in this leauge, and has incredible court vision. He's also hit several big shots for us in the playoffs this season.
Now, with that said, I would not be upset one bit if I didn't see Beno for the rest of the playoffs. While no single Spur ever causes a loss, he was a big factor in the momentum changing at the end of the 3rd quater in last nights game.
But flash back to Game 1 against Denver back in April when these playoffs had just started. And try to think what the turning point in that game was. It was the end of the 2nd quater when in the span of a minute Beno commited several turnovers that led to quick and easy buckets.
We faced almost the exact same situation last night in Detroit. And it has occoured at other times in these playoffs - even this series. And this is not to knock the shooting that Beno brings, because he does bring much to the table in that regards.
But as a backup point guard, he has show a huge susceptibility to the trap. Other teams salivate at the end of quaters knowing that Beno is coming into a game. And those are the key points in which a team can either make a huge run to open a game up, or get back into the game after a bad quater. The closeout of quaters is HUGE!
I hope that we see much less of Udrih at the end of quaters. Manu is capable of bringing the ball up, as is Barry, and at this point their ability to break the press is far more valuable than shooting Beno brings.
Beno needs to sit for the rest of the playoffs.
Beno was not the problem. Lindsay should be the focal point.
Yeah.
I think you are right on. I also think this sort of thing will wane as time goes on. I'd prefer to see Beno in the middle of quarters, if we must see him.
Until we turned it off, the phrase, enbaynooodray, was being muttered with great consistency by me.
thats why the beno milita lasted but a few months
Barry had a costly turnover during that same stretch. Putting Beno and Barry in at the same time to close a quarter was not smart.
Beno = Arroyo. From now on, he should be on the floor only when Arroyo is in.
beno is going to make mistakes because he's a rookie. (in this league) i would even go farther and say that in the denver series, there were several times when he looked lost. he looked over at pop time after time, because earl boykins was giving him fits on both ends of the court. but he adjusted pretty well... he'll adjust again because he's shown he can do what the coaches ask of him.
This has been addressed before in these playoffs. I thought Beno handled himself well in Games 1 & 2. Credit to the Pistons for springing the trap immediately when he came into the game in the last minute of the 3rd. I thought Pop should've immediately called a timeout after the 1st turnover. That would've gotten the rock to halfcourt plus killed a little bit of the Pistons' momentum, but I've forgotten what the timeout status of the team was at that point.
Still, Beno has been shaky at times this season in bringing the rock up against pressure.
Yeah, its a shame when Manu has to man the point late in the game because Beno is playing like the flaming f-ing rook he is. He needs to settle the down and watch about 8 hours of film today, run through some passing and ballhandling drills Thursday morning, then suit the f- up and get ready to contribute a mere solid 10 minutes.
Manny, I also said the same thing as you. Most people talked about Tim and Manu's off games, but I really thought Beno's horrible few minute stretch in the third was a killer.
Well, Tim and Manu playing like ass both are huge contributors to a loss. But in almost every loss - regardless of the margin - you can always point to a play or series of plays that causes momentum to swing and starts the run. And everyone knows, once you get on a run, shots are much easier to hit. Those momentum swings are killer.
The last minute of the 3rd was a key point in the game. Beno struggled, but I think some of the onus is on Pop for not countering it with a quick timeout. Plus it's not like Beno was the only one who ed up. Barry ing looked like he handed the rock to McDyess during that sequence...
I knew this thread was coming.
Manny- you were much more fair than I expected.
However I don't agree that Beno should sit out for the rest of the play offs.
He didn't help the situation last night, but as Manny pointed out, Beno didn't singlehandedly lose the game for us.
If we benched everyone who played badly in game 3 , we would be left with about a five man rotation.
Beno has made some rookie mistakes. But for the most part, has handled himself very well. Benji adds legitimate depth to our bench and provides Tony with much needed opportunites to rest. (Manu is amazing, but even he can't do it all.)
I believe he will continiue to develop and come through, if given the chance.
Beno doesn't play enough to be the biggest liability.
I don't think anyone is a liability really. Barry played a good game last night. I think everyone that plays good minutes for the Spurs are really contributors in one way or another.
I disagree, he plays enough to cause huge momentum swings.
I disagree, he is our backup PG. PG is a special position where just a couple ups and it's huge!
I have to agree with Manny and nk. Beno must play some quality minutes, solid, error free minutes, as Tony's backup. Beno will not win games nor lose games, single-handedly, but he is capable of contributing to losses. I agree that Pop maybe should've called a timeout, that Manu should've hit that open three in the fourth, that Duncan, Nazr, Horry etc. should've been more aggressive on the boards in the 4th, that Horry should at least hit rim on a crucial late three...so you can't pin this exclusively on Beno. Not even close. But he really did contribute to a huge momentum swing, undeniably.
He just needs to come in and bring the ball up, fill in the gap while Tony is resting. Having said that, we are in trouble if Tony decides to have subpar games from here on out. But, thank God, he won't.
I was hoping they wouldn't Hunter on him and press him, he's shown all season if he's pressed he will turn the ball over. And you just can't have that with your PG, starting our backup. That 2 min streatch was painful.
man... i really think me not watching the finals at home is jinxing the spurs...
maybe i should cut my classes on monday... and watch game 5
It's Pop's fault for using him at the end of quarters. At the end of quarters is when opponents really press. Beno can't handle the press at all and Pop should know that by now. If Tony must rest at the end of quarters, then it should be Barry and Manu in the backcourt. Beno's steady hand saved the Spurs a lot in Game 2, so calling him out after Game 3 is pretty weak. You can't say he shouldn't play for the rest of the playoffs; he should just be better utilized.
cut him some slack... for a rookie i would say hes doing pretty damn good... but i would agree with some of you that beno is a noob when it comes to knowing what to do with the ball sometimes... i just cant find it in me to hate him though... i have a soft spot for slovenian players
i think this is the first time i ever agreed with manny... beno has done this too, too, too many ing times!
I do think it's Pops fault for playing him, and everything else you said, I said in my first post.
I should have clarified, I don't want him playing at the end of quaters for the rest of the playoffs. There!
You guys need to go back and watch that segment again...Beno made one TO and it didn't even lead to a basket...don't get me wrong...Beno has played like a rookie these entire playoffs except for one of these Detroit games...And I wonder why Pop keeps going with him...
But he didn't cause us to lose the game last night...
We ended the third quarter down by exactly 5 points IIRC. That was nothing...that was not why we lost the game.
And BTW...Manu had two TO's in that segment on one a pass to Barry and another on a pass to Nazr...and they never had a chance to get to either ball...and he wasn't getting pressed like Beno and Barry were. He was just having a bad night.
We lost this game because we go predictable on offense late in the game...Duncan was not kicking it out of the paint...he was trying to score or get to the line when he had wide open teamates that were shredding it from 3...Manu's TO's kept the Pistons close early and posting up Duncan on multiple defenders w/no kickouts killed us late.
Parker, Barry and Bruce were having good games and we kept going to the two guys that were stinking it up last night, down the stretch...does no good to have depth like we have if we don't use it.
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