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The players are assholes
The owners are assholes
They can burn in
The owners have been lowballing them like the greedy Jew shysters they are, altering offers and trying to bully them with ultimatums, and the players finally said " this" and dropped the bomb on them. The players made concession after concession after concession and it still wasn't good enough. It stopped being a negotiation becuause the owner didn't negotiate , they just made demands and expected the players to bend over.
I hate missing a season but anything that will put David Stern in his place and get him out the door quicker is a good thing. I just wish they did this sooner, like the NFL did. Then maybe a season could be salvaged. Oh well.
The players are assholes
The owners are assholes
They can burn in
^I hate to agree with this silly son of a (Mono, not Lefty), but, he's right.
And yes
Fucl Stern
Stern has been out of character during this Fiasco. He's usually much more reserved and professional. I wonder what goes on there.
This here says it all. Every expert on the subject agrees.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...ockout-fallout
1. Fact or Fiction: The owners and players have negotiated in good faith.
Tom Haberstroh, ESPN.com: Fiction. It's a weightless concept anyway, but the empty ultimatums thrown around by David Stern never sat well with me -- especially with two months to go from the drop-dead date of the 1998-99 lockout-shortened season. The owners' proposal was clear: "You're playing on our terms." That's not collective bargaining.
Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live: Fiction. The players have mostly negotiated in good faith, even if it has been an embarrassing display of bargaining execution. The owners, on the other hand, have been deplorable in the way they've negotiated. While I don't disagree with their motives for wanting change, the way they've attempted to "negotiate" with the players has been bullying at best. They should learn how to use their words.
Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: Fiction. Armed only with the information we have thus far, it certainly doesn't seem that way. The players have made very real, substantive concessions relative to the last collective bargaining agreement, while the owners began negotiating from an outlandish position and have simply dubbed the adoption of a more reasonable stance as an equal concession. Both sides deserve blame for the current situation, but the players' efforts to negotiate have seemed a bit more genuine.
Beckley Mason, HoopSpeak: Both. The NBA's unnecessary ultimatums don't fit the fuzzy definition of "good faith," but I suppose that's the luxury of being a monopolist. The league's tactics have driven us to this point -- I don't want to equivocate here -- but disclaiming isn't a very collaborative approach, either. Frighteningly enough, it actually precludes collective negotiation.
David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Fiction. The players have, without doubt. I think union executive director Billy Hunter has, too. Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, in my opinion, still has a lot to prove as to whether or not he has acted in the players' good faith on his own. The owners have not, in the sense that negotiation suggests compromise. The owners wanted $300 million a year back from the players and a new system. That's their only goal.
In all honesty though, Mono, before the players threw the turd into the pool yesterday Media was playing both sides against the middle. Now that there is no longer a dollar & a dime to be made playing both sides they've once again come home to those who butter their bread.
Some players have not felt “in the loop” with union
Kurt Helin
Nov 15, 2011, 11:38 AM EST
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AP When NBA union director Billy Hunter asked for a show of hands in a New York hotel Wednesday it was unanimous. All the guys in the room backed the idea of the union filing a “disclaimer of interest” and taking the fight to the courts.
But for some rank and file players who would rather just get back on the court, they don’t feel heard in all this.
Take what Glen Davis told the Boston Herald. The Celtics (well, free agent) forward speaks for others.
“I don’t think I’ve been kept in the loop as far as what’s going on and how things are going on,” he said. “I want to be kept in the loop, but when I say that, they say, well, come to the meetings.On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players, he told the Sacramento Bee.
“It’s not just Paul (Pierce, Celtics team rep) making that decision,” said Davis. “It’s also Derek (Fisher) and Billy Hunter. I talk to players, but my friends are guys like Paul and (Kevin Garnett) – guys who are in a different stage of their careers. I don’t talk to a lot of the guys who are more in my stage, like Carl Landry and DeJuan Blair.”
“Some of the young players I talked to, it’s not about the money. We just want to go out there and play ball,” Cousins said. “For me, it’s knocking off time for me to be improving as a player. This whole situation is really not helping out us younger players.”With 450 members the players union — well, trade association now — is not going to be able to keep everyone happy. Some guys care and seek out the information, others stand back and let others take the lead. Not everyone is going to seek out the information on where things stand.
But remember that while the sentiment in that New York hotel conference room was unanimous, it is not across the full width of the NBA.
Well I won't be watching whenever it comes back, em all.
As a matter of fact now that we rang, I hope this ass league folds
This is exactly what I've been thinking lately, I'm sure they're plenty of players that just want to get back on the basketball court. A lot of guys play this game because they love it and not just because of the money. It's a shame that those players won't be able to play and will also lose money as well.Some players have not felt “in the loop” with union
Kurt Helin
Nov 15, 2011, 11:38 AM EST
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But for some rank and file players who would rather just get back on the court, they don’t feel heard in all this.
Take what Glen Davis told the Boston Herald. The Celtics (well, free agent) forward speaks for others.
“I don’t think I’ve been kept in the loop as far as what’s going on and how things are going on,” he said. “I want to be kept in the loop, but when I say that, they say, well, come to the meetings.On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players, he told the Sacramento Bee.
“It’s not just Paul (Pierce, Celtics team rep) making that decision,” said Davis. “It’s also Derek (Fisher) and Billy Hunter. I talk to players, but my friends are guys like Paul and (Kevin Garnett) – guys who are in a different stage of their careers. I don’t talk to a lot of the guys who are more in my stage, like Carl Landry and DeJuan Blair.”
“Some of the young players I talked to, it’s not about the money. We just want to go out there and play ball,” Cousins said. “For me, it’s knocking off time for me to be improving as a player. This whole situation is really not helping out us younger players.”With 450 members the players union — well, trade association now — is not going to be able to keep everyone happy. Some guys care and seek out the information, others stand back and let others take the lead. Not everyone is going to seek out the information on where things stand.
But remember that while the sentiment in that New York hotel conference room was unanimous, it is not across the full width of the NBA.
Both sides can suck Sandusky's
lol 50/50 wasn't good enough
lol ignorant millionaire monkeys > owners that took all the risk to establish a platform for them + 1000's of arena employees + surround businesses
The owners wanted to break the player's rice bowl.
uh, uh.
lakaluva:::the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.
I haven't read a lot about what concessions each side has made and what sticking points are the biggest issues in negotiations. But when I watch the updates on the four letter, the more I blame the players. I'd have to see the actual numbers, but if it's true a lot of teams are losing money, then drastic change may be necessary.
One of my biggest problems is guaranteed contracts and the length up to 7 years. It's stupid. Why not actually earn your salary? A player gets a $100+ million contract for 7 years, it's a good possibilty he's not worth the salary after 2-3 years. That's where I personally feel a lot of teams, especially smaller markets that really have to take huge risks giving out those types of contracts, really lose out. NBA players get paid better than NFL players and overall better than MLB players. They have had the biggest piece of the pie for decades. They may have made more concessions in this negotiations, but it's probably because they should be making more concessions. I doubt very much it's about the players protecting the minimum salary players. I think it's more about the max type players keeping their share as great as possible. But when you're talking about players who already made $100+ million in their careers losing a million or 2 over their careers, I find it hard to have sympathy.
That's of course contingent on the notion that teams and the league really have been losing money.
But we can all agree that the media is clogged with suckers anyhow. No one here was under the impression that the media ever did anything in good faith, I hope.
Euroleague = staaaacked
How many local heros would be canned if some NBA bigs show up?
Shoulder-to-Shoulder on this one, D.
No way in the league's losing money. Stern is just using his Jew accountant trickery to fudge that , I can guarantee you that.
As far as individual teams losing money, it shouldn't matter. These billionaire owners all made their money in other ventures. This is their toy. You and I and other average Joe's buy a Playstation 3 for fun, billionaires buy an NBA franchise. We don't expect to turn a profit from our recreation activities, and neither should they. Losing more money than you want to? Sell the team to someone else and buy toys you can afford.
...+ it's boilerplated that the NBA owner makes his money when he sells the team.
those ignorant millionare monkeys are the reason everyone ever had a job in the sport. they run everything, as they should. owners don't take a risk for . THEY'RE ALREADY BILLIONAIRES.
Let's also not forget that this isn't a strike. IT'S A LOCKOUT. The owners ultimately decided to shut things down, and they are the ones that could reopen for business tomorrow if they wanted to. The players have no say in that regard.
^Me & Mono, Shoulder-to-Shoulder.
From what I see, the owners basically want to be able to piss away all the money they can. Maybe they should stop giving out dumbass Erick Dampier type contracts, instead of whining about how they are losing money.
D, Mono, Stretch & me Shoulder-to-Shoulder.
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