Me and a couple other Orangebloods went to lunch today, and this subject came up. If Matt Jones was drafted as a wideout in the first round, could Vince? We've all watched what a great athlete Jones was in the games against Arkansas the last few years against the Horns, and if guys like Hines Ward can be Pro-Bowlers, Jones should have no trouble adjusting. But could VY?
Of course, Young could learn how to throw over the shoulder and begin a UT run of dynastic proportions. , I'll settle for a win or two over OU at this point. Reports from the Spring looked good for Vince.
vince could have been picked the first day in the 05 draft as a WR, just from stuff i read i think he really wants to try and be a qb. in the 06 draft he'd go top 5, as a qb/ath- I HOPE he stays and has a good 5th year and passes well he could be the number 1 in 07 easy, more hype and upside then mike vick then
If he wants to play QB in the NFL, he has to work on his mechanics. That little "dart throw" he does on short passes won't cut it in the NFL. Last year, the coaching staff tried to change his mechanics and he listened for a while, but once the season got going he reverted back to his old passing style.
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yeah but if he throws better with bad mechanics then you have to let him throw bad, at least now anyway
its like they say if one guy can run a 4.2 40 with perfect mechanics and one guy can run a 4.2 with bad mechanics you take the guy with bad mechanics bc you can teach him to use good mechanics and he'll run even faster
i know he sidearms it though, if he throws a 60 yard post route he's not gonna side arm it, when he's rolling out on a bootleg, he's more inclined to, which are the plays where he completes most of his passes and a high %
I guess I could see Vince playing WR in the NFL, maybe even TE, although he would have to put on some weight. But, I think he has his sights on playing QB in the NFL, it's also one of the primary reasons I think he stays at UT through his senior year. He needs two more years of starting experience, and more work on his passing game. I went to some of the Spring practices, and his progression/reads in the passing game look much better. He seems to just have more confidence throwing the ball, particulalry the short routes which he's had problems with in the past. Also, I think he has more confidence in his WR's this season, they should play a much bigger role in the passing game than last year. He won't forget about David Thomas though, that guy is set for a huge season, he could easily be a 2nd-3rd round guy in next year's draft at TE.
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Although it might be fair to Vince, it really depends on how Matt Jones does. If he flops, I think Vince falls to rounds 2 or 3. If Jones does even semi-decent, Vince becomes a top 10 pick.
PS: I don't think there is anyway he gets drafted as a QB.
Let's see how he does with a real quarterback coach. Greg Davis' kids probably can't tie their shoes.
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Vincent Young is a bad bad man. He tore up Michigan on his own. lmfao
Point out a quarterback in the NFL that throws sidearm?
There have been a few, most times the team they play for will try and coach them to throw that classic elevated release point throw. I know B. Kosar was a big time side arm thrower, and did pretty well with throwing it that way. Also, D. Carr had a sideways type release, the Texans have worked with him to have more of an over the top release. I think Vince can get away with that release in college becaue he's 6'5, and the D linemen just aren't as big. I don't know if he can get away with it at the NFL level. He does definitely seem to have plenty of arm strength to throw at the NFL level.
The difference is that Bernie Kosar and David Carr were good quaterbacks in college...
Well he sure won't end up like Jason 'waterboy' White. He'll actually get drafted. He'll actually play.
Rich Gannon throws sidearm.
You mean like Jason White, HYped Out Huepel, (Insert another ouSELESS here), etc...The difference is that Bernie Kosar and David Carr were good quaterbacks in college...
What a DUMBASS!
OU Quarterbacks do seem to fall off the map after their college careers. Jason White winning the heisman was one of the worst picks. Not THE worst but a terrible pick. Gino Terreta (SP) was certainly not a great choice....
Fact is what's made OU OU these past years is those big bruisers from Texas that occupied the trenches. Well, what am I saying, last year over 60% of their roster was from Texas and even more of that their starters. If they had to field a team with Oklahoma talent they would be another Oklahoma State at best.
" OU Football, there's nothing like it because there's no such thing. "
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well, why aren't the top linemen recruits going to the almighty texas program? stop whining.
Not smart enough.
So, the best you can come up with to defend Vince Young being a terrible passer is that the OU QB's who have dominated Texas for the last 5 years didn't make it in the pros...
Hmmmmm... okay.
Vince Young is a bad passer ?
Jason White, the year of his Heisman, 61% completions, 451 attempts for 3800 yards. Vince Young Sophmore year 59%, 222 attempts for 1600 yards.
8.2 -vs- 7.5 in 2004.
Of course, Jason rushed for -150 yards, Young for almost 900.
So take total offense they created when they had the ball into account and VY comes out on top of that calculation. He may not be a GREAT passer, but he doesn't suck, by any stretch. If he does, then Jason White was the most horrendous QB to ever win the Heisman...
Last edited by word; 07-07-2005 at 07:03 PM.
White also had 40 TDs passing against 10 Ints that year.
Vince had 12 TDs and 11 Ints.
It doesn't take stats to see that Young is not a good passer. He makes Quincy Carter look like Brett Favre.
Oh yeah, almost forgot about this gem.
3800 - 150 = 3650
1600 + 900 = 2500
Math must not have been your strong suit.
JW=3800 - 150 = 3650 which he did so throwing over 2 times as much as VY.
VY=1600 + 900 = 2500 which he did throwing less than half the time as JW.
Yeah well, JW had to pass over twice as much to get that number and did so behind the baddest ass front line in college football.
If VY had thrown the ball as much as JW he'd of been close to JW's passing numbers and what he did on the ground is a diff of 1000 yards. But the bottom line is ..sure White got more yards passing...he threw the ball twice as much. My momma could toss the rock 1000 yards behind OU's front line last year.
Do the math again, Scooter. Is VY a 'terrible' passer ? Sure some of those VY yards can be attributed to being run out of the pocket and forced to run but there were also a LOT of running plays called. More so as the year went on.
Bottom line is VY will get drafted in the first round of the NFL AND play.
Jason White is a waterboy who got his numbers behind a bigass front line from Texas who, I might add, is no longer there.
There's blood in the water in Norman....simple as that.
Last edited by word; 07-07-2005 at 10:19 PM.
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