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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    The one issue that could reignite the Obama youth vote of 2008...so why is Obama so silent on this issue....

    President Obama's puzzling silence on marijuana policy

    The youth vote helped propel Barack Obama to the presidency, but that enthusiasm has declined sharply, writes Neal Peirce. One issue might reignite youthful enthusiasm: marijuana — partly its medical use, but especially Americans' right to recreational use free of potential arrest.

    WASHINGTON — "Dance with the One that Brought You" is the le of a well-known song. But the Urban Dictionary offers a deeper meaning: "The principle that someone should pay proper fealty to those who have gone out of their way to look after them."

    Barack Obama should pay attention. In 2008, young voters were enthused and turned out for him by the millions.

    But now? The campus/youth enthusiasm factor has declined sharply. The deficiency seriously imperils Obama's re-election effort.

    There's one issue, though, that might reignite youthful enthusiasm. That issue is marijuana — partly its medical use, but especially Americans' right to recreational use free of potential arrest and possible prison time.

    Today's grim reality is that police continue to arrest youth for marijuana possession by the hundreds of thousands. But each arrest is a red flag of danger, threatening life prospects for a young man or woman suddenly saddled with a permanent "drug arrest" record that's easily located by employers, landlords, schools, credit agencies and banks.

    Small wonder then that 62 percent of young Americans (ages 18 to 29) now favor legalizing marijuana, as a Gallup poll reported.


    And it's not just youth these days. Gallup this year found 50 percent nationwide support for legalizing marijuana use — the most ever, up from a measly 12 percent in 1969 to 30 percent in 2000 and 40 percent in 2009.

    A ballot measure to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana received 46.5 percent of the vote in California last year. Parallel measures are likely to be on the 2012 ballots in Colorado and Washington. Odd political bedfellows — Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Ron Paul, R-Texas — recently introduced a legalization bill and now have 19 co-sponsors. Paul even gets applause advocating legalization in Republican presidential debates.

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    This is clearly not the "change" Obama's enthusiastic supporters of 2008 expected. And it's deeply ironic. Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance notes that if local police departments had been enforcing marijuana laws as harshly in the early 1980s as many do today, "there's a good chance a young Columbia student named Barack Obama could have been picked up — and not be in the White House today."

    Nadelmann suggests that both the White House Drug Policy Office and the Justice Department enforcement divisions have been "co-opted" by holdover appointees deeply invested in anti-marijuana rhetoric and "let's just bust them" drug enforcement.

    Facing the 2012 election, Obama is not likely to advocate, suddenly, marijuana decriminalization. But he could announce that it's time for a serious national dialogue on the issue, and that it will be a hallmark of his second term. He could express his dismay that 800,000 people, mostly young (and heavily black and Hispanic), are being arrested each year for marijuana possession — even as 50 percent of Americans favor legalization. He could focus on the massive costs of enforcement, the deep social costs of imprisonment. Let all America, youth included, join in the debate, he could urge.

    A new openness to marijuana reform could help to reignite, on campuses and among high numbers of young people, the hope for "change" that really means something. Perhaps even prospects for the president's own re-election
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    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._peirce18.html

    I'd like to see a Democratic Plank calling clearly for ending the drug war and stating the schedule they are going to do it on. This is not as radical as it sounds. The justification and legal rationale must be made clear. But it is not a radical idea in 2011. In fact, the respectable Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is calling for ending the drug war as the best policy, and they are an organization of conservative, main stream police and DEA officers of all parties. They were on the front lines and they say it causes more problems then it solves. So this is not a radical idea anymore in 2011. It's just inertia

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    The effects of associated risk on substance use...

    Study: Why Teen Pot Smoking Could be a Good Thing (And What We Can Learn From Teens Who Choose Weed Over Beer)

    The National Ins ute of Drug Abuse (NIDA) released the results of its 2011 Monitoring the Future Survey of teen drug use, and guess what: Teens are using cigarettes and alcohol less, but they are smoking more marijuana. What's more, they're smoking more weed because they do not perceive it to be as harmful as did teens in the past. Teens' level of "associated risk" with marijuana use has gone done over time, and marijuana is, indeed, less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes: This could be an argument for more honest drug education in schools.

    Associated risk is the danger or harm believed to be a consequence of drug use. If associated risk for a particular substance goes up, more people are reporting that they consider using that drug to be a threat. In other words, as associated risk goes down, more people are saying the drug in question is not that bad. According to the NIDA study, a decline in marijuana's associated risk contributed to teens smoking more pot, while drinking less alcohol and smoking fewer cigarrettes. Thus, many teens actually showed good judgement, by using available information to determine the danger posed by particular substances, and making smart decisions accordingly.

    According to the study, about 25% of teens surveyed said they tried marijuana at least once last year, a statistically significant rise of about 4% since 2007. Additionally, 6.6% of 12th graders also admitted to smoking weed daily.
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    http://www.alternet.org/story/153498..._over_beer%29/

    Most kids are pretty streetwise they see behind all the bull talk about the 'dangers of marijuana' use.....facts continuously show that marijuana use is the less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol and much less addictive than many of the legal prescription drugs used on school campuses ...that said I don't advocate use among teen nor daily use among adults...

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    signs point to "no"

    President Obama gave an interview to Rolling Stone‘s Jann Wenner this week and was asked about his administration’s aggressive crackdown on medical marijuana dispensaries, including ones located in states where medical marijuana is legal and which are licensed by the state; this policy is directly contrary to Obama’s campaign pledge to not “use Justice Department resources to try and cir vent state laws about medical marijuana.” Here’s part of the President’s answer:
    I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana – and the reason is, because it’s against federal law. I can’t nullify congressional law. I can’t ask the Justice Department to say, “Ignore completely a federal law that’s on the books” . . . .


    The only tension that’s come up – and this gets hyped up a lot – is a murky area where you have large-scale, commercial operations that may supply medical marijuana users, but in some cases may also be supplying recreational users. In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we’re telling them, “This is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way.” That’s not something we’re going to do.
    Aside from the fact that Obama’s claim about the law is outright false — as Jon Walker conclusively do ents, the law vests the Executive Branch with precisely the discretion he falsely claims he does not have to decide how drugs are classified — it’s just extraordinary that Obama is affirming the “principle” that he can’t have the DOJ “turn the othe way” in the face of lawbreaking. As an emailer just put it to me: “Interesting how this principle holds for prosecuting [medical] marijuana producers in the war on drugs, but not for prosecuting US officials in the war on terror. Or telecommunications companies for illegal spying. Or Wall Street banks for mortgage fraud.”


    That’s about as vivid an expression of the President’s agenda, and his sense of justice, and the state of the Rule of Law in America, as one can imagine. The same person who directed the DOJ to shield torturers and illegal government eavesdroppers from criminal investigation, and who voted to retroactively immunize the nation’s largest telecom giants when they got caught enabling criminal spying on Americans, and whose DOJ has failed to indict a single Wall Street executive in connection with the 2008 financial crisis or mortgage fraud scandal, suddenly discovers the imperatives of The Rule of Law when it comes to those, in accordance with state law, providing medical marijuana to sick people with a prescription.
    http://www.salon.com/2012/04/26/obam...ana/singleton/

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    Not to mention his official position that he will neither enforce nor defend the "Defense of Marriage Act."

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    Yeah, no way O comes out for legalization. He even cranked up enforcement in California dramatically. It was no accident. Telling rolling Stone he is doing it "because it's federal law" is a ing joke and shows what ty journalists they are for not calling him on it. He certainly has no problem ordering DOJ to ignore immigration laws when he thinks it gives him an advantage politically.

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    which immigration laws?

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    interdiction/deportation are at all time highs

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    interdiction/deportation are at all time highs
    Numerically, but as you know it is selective and not enforced across the board.

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    A lot cops that find an illegal they suspect of small crime like DUI without injury, shoplifting, some pot on them they usually call the deportation wagon to send them back to where they came from so they don't have to mess with paper work. They pass the buck so to speak. God bless.

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    I'm not saying I disagree with that policy, just that it is selective enforcement.

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    Numerically, but as you know it is selective and not enforced across the board.
    so which laws were ignored?

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    and what is your source that Obama directed the DOJ to do so?

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    so which laws were ignored?
    Don't act dumb just for the sake of argument. An illegal resident that keeps their nose clean has zero chance of being deported.

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    surely you exaggerate

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    please don't play dumb, name which immigration laws you say Obama is telling the DOJ to ignore.

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    please don't play dumb, name which immigration laws you say Obama is telling the DOJ to ignore.
    You are kidding, right? I can't believe you are playing this chumpishly dumb just to argue with me.

    http://www.usimmigration.com/memo-ou...portation.html

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    secure communities. how hard was that?

    you're awfully touchy about saying what you mean...

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    secure communities. how hard was that?

    you're awfully touchy about saying what you mean...
    Like I said...what was the ing point of arguing against something you knew to be true just because I said it? Thats Chumps shtick and it doesn't become you.

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    I didn't know what you were talking about. You weren't specific and I'm not a mind reader.

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    I still like to believe that as a younger, more open minded generation comes into power and influence in DC, that we will eventually have legalized Marijuana.

    I'm starting to think I was wrong, but in my defense, the worst generation EVER (baby boomers) still hold the biggest stick in America.

    On a side note, hopefully no one learned anything from baby boomers and we can move on with America once they all die.........which can't be soon enough.

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    pfft. Chumphole

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    There's nothing at the included link about political directives from the WH. These may be reasonably inferred, but that doesn't mean they happened. All prosecutors exercise discretion in the use of limited time/resources. Across the board enforcement of every violation out there isn't realistic.

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    Fact of there matter is there's more immigration enforcement now than there ever has been.

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    Sad to say, same goes for the drug war.

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    Since Baby Boomers are the worst generation ever, can we blame the WW2 generation for it?

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