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Barry is having trouble just holding onto the ball. My enduring image of Barry since Game 3 is Manu passing him a normal, standard pass with little mus , yet Barry bobbles it, drops it, and three seconds later Tayshaun is dunking. Niiiiiiiiiiiice.
i'm looking at the game stats, and honestly, i can't see blaming parker or duncan. duncan outplayed rasheed, numberswise (which is a weird thing to say, after all, it all comes down to who scores more) in points and rebounds. parker was 5points behind billubs and only three assists behind him. hardly dominated, in any event. manu showed much improvement compared to his 7 point outing. so i'm pointing the finger to the one guy brought in as a solution for this whole clog-the-lane, make-the-spurs-beat-us-by-shooting strategy that seems so effective. and it is brent barry. parker's role is penetrate, dish or score; manu's role is slash, dish, score; duncan's role is low post scoring and defense. last year we saw what the lakers did and the front office folks made the move everyone agreed should have been the nail in the coffin for all other teams, which is get the guy with the best 3-point range and have him be open should defenders race into the lane to stop the big three. and thus far, barry's done bumpkiss. certainly he's not going to score 30 points, probably not even 15, but if his shot is consistent, he will force the lane to be a bit more porous, a la steve kerr and stephen jackson. so he's the guy who really needs to bring something to the table in game 5.
man, what a disappointment.
Barry is having trouble just holding onto the ball. My enduring image of Barry since Game 3 is Manu passing him a normal, standard pass with little mus , yet Barry bobbles it, drops it, and three seconds later Tayshaun is dunking. Niiiiiiiiiiiice.
Unfortunately, I lost count of the times I said "GODDAMMNITBRENTBARRY" last night....
But he didn't loose the game for us singlehandedly like some people believe.
You don't have to ask anyone to blame Barry...
It's the default reaction.
Hes not the only one.
Everyone is to blame.
But yes, Brent Barry is probobly the most dissapointing FA in Spurs history.
Donīt blame just him. The rest of the team donīt play well. e.g: Nazr Mohammed, Ro-Ho... Udrih, and so and so.
The real problem is a lack of agressiveness
I blame the team in game 4
I blame Marcus Bryant's "game 4 is ours" post.
Blame everyone.
Team loss.
Classic, the guy plays 11 minutes hits 1 of 2 from the floor...and he is to blame. Scores 12 points the other night, on 3 of 4 from the 3pt line and everyone gives him props for game 3.
How has he played any different then the two games they won? Besides shooting over 80% from the 3pt line in the games they lost.
Idiots.
I agree blame the whole team. It seemed like everyone had butterfingers that game. The Spurs brought nothing to that game, they just showed up.
nazr, beno, the rest, with the exception of maybe horry, deserve some blame but not THE blame. none of them were brought in specifically to counter the very contigency that the spurs face right now. and in horry's defense, he's brought so much more to the table in the games preceeding this that he deserves to have a bad game or two just on principle. but barry has shown so very little this whole season and in the playoffs sans a game or two against phoenix. i mean, i blame the team but only in the sense of not making freaking shots when they should spend nothing but hours in this gym doing that because they know what is coming. but even then, the offense is set up around parker penetrating, manu slashing and duncan low-posting. clogging the lane negates the first two, or has so far, and not only has rasheed done reasonably well, but they also double duncan with mcdyss and ben wallace once he charges into the lane. the rational alternative,then, is to find the open guy and swing it to him. barry took two shots, if i remember right. lame.
and as for barry making some shots in game 3, that's great, but it goes back to consistency. he's been so up and down this year, , this series, so that he scores 12 one night and 2 the next? he's not bringing it as much as he should.
Somehow it feels better blaming Marcus Bryant for it though...
Put barry into the starting lineups bench manu
I blame Osama, you?
I think pop should go with this one again.
I blame the waterboy for not keeping the PH at the proper level.
Last edited by mavsfan1000; 06-18-2005 at 01:04 PM.
Yeah we lost because of Barry, what a brilliant analysis. It wasn't the Pistons agresiveness nor our inability to perform, not even our lack of desire to win, it was just Barry.
Well at least we don't have to change our mentality for game 5 and we dont have to go out there showing how much we want to win, we just have to get rid of Barry and we'll win the ring...
I blame the Fat Boys. When they broke up, nothing has been the same. I think all the Spurs just came to the realization that the Fat Boys are no more. Their minds were in a different place for games 3 and 4.
Damn Fat Boys....WHY COULDN'T THEY STAY TOGETHER?!?!?!
Brent Barry has looked like a bunny in the headlights all year long. Why should anyone be surprised that the Finals are too much for the poor thing?
Get rid of him, Pop.
"Yeah we lost because of Barry, what a brilliant analysis. It wasn't the Pistons agresiveness nor our inability to perform, not even our lack of desire to win, it was just Barry.
Well at least we don't have to change our mentality for game 5 and we dont have to go out there showing how much we want to win, we just have to get rid of Barry and we'll win the ring..."
no, this is not what i am saying. what i am saying is that the strategy that the pistons are employing, namely, cramming folks into the lane so that td, parker and ginobilli can't do their normal thing, is not a new or inventive strategy. it is an effective strategy, however, because the spurs that are left do not consistently hit jump shots. that point was brought home painfully last year when a lakers team we were killing opted for the same approach and swept us. the front office wasn't stupid, they figured that the best way to counter that approach was to find a guy who could hit jump shots consistently and three pointers to boot. in walks brent barry, who has so far this year given us very little. and in terms of consistency, he's given us squat. his production in game 3 was admirable, and had manu not got hurt, there's a pretty good chance we win that game. but now, knowing full well that manu is hurt, he could shoot more than twice. what's more, his inability to consistently make his shots means folks can go back to sagging into the lane and further forcing the spurs to do what they haven't thus far, which is beat the pistons with their shooting. don't blame barry for not scoring 20 points a game or some nonsense, blame him for being the weakest link in this system thus far (i don't count beno because he's a rookie and is behaving like a rookie) and not meeting the expectations so many folks had for him. to whit, the pistons ability to be aggressive is precisely because they have little fear that the open spur will make the shot.
You should try watching the game outside of Tim Duncan's ass...
The game I am watching the Spurs are shooting 40% as a team from three and the only guy forcing up shots is Duncan and to a lesser extent Parker...and he's doing it while Bruce Bowen and Barry are standing out there at the 3 point line...
The game I am watching has the heart of our entire ing team trying to score in packed paint and turning it over when they attempt to do so...I can't think of a single good pass out of the paint in Detroit...they either aren't passing or else they are turning it over when they try to do so.
I want you to go back and watch games 3 and 4 and you tell me Tim...who is getting the ball most of the time...is trying to look his teamates beyond the crowded paint..it aint happening...what's happening is turnovers, forced shots, and misses by the guys that handle the ball the most...starting with Mr.Duncan.
Brent Barry is responsible for the 20 point blowouts and Tim/Tony/Manu's turnovers? That's a new one.
Barry has made 1 turnover in the first half in each of our last 2 games...if that not the reason for the other 40 turnovers than I don't know what is.
ing choking gutless scrub.
I mean ...we only shot like 50% from 3 in game 3...obviously that wasn't enough to get Duncan open.
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