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I have repeatedly said most of us end up voting for the lesser of two evils.
Can we really be proud of who we put in office or proud of ourselves for how we waste our votes on s bags who are responsible for like this? We get caught up in Dems vs Republicans, but the truth is they are both corrupt sons of es who do this ! And we stand by and argue and bicker over which of the two evil bas s are better..
Maybe it just doesn't matter to us because we aren't there to see it. It's not our kid or niece or grandson, so it doesn't fkn matter..but at the end of the day Obama gave a great speech..or Romney convinced us to be scared..so we don't do about it because we are too ing stupid and lazy to stand together on real moral principles, it's just easier to support the norm.
Put aside your political stances for a minute...What does this say about us?
This video makes me sick! But very necessary to watch.
Thoughts?
I have repeatedly said most of us end up voting for the lesser of two evils.
Follow the money.
If you think American (foreign) policy, by the Haves, has any priority other than financial self-enrichment and financial predations against the Have-Nots of the planet, you're naive.
The Haves will NEVER allow any politician, like a Ron Paul, to be elected, or if ever elected, to implement policies of shrinking America's planetary hegemony and garrisoning.
there will always be bags on the ballot, so ur force to vote, unless you hand in a blank vote casts...
umm what matters is the control of the senate...
the Senate in uncontrollable since neither party, esp the Dems, get 60 seats to vote as block. And stuff can be killed in the Senate before it gets to a vote, and one Senator can put a hold on just about anything.
Total corruption, total paralysis, just what the 1% wants to maintain its wealthy, controlling status quo.
My problem is that we allow this to continue. The Occupy movement is great, but how far will that go? I'm not naive to how things work in Washington. I just refuse to believe that it isn't on our shoulders as well, for not overthrowing our own corrupt government and the corporations running it. We let like the JFK assassination pass us by, didn't do about it! How can anyone see these kids being blown up and just sit back and say "Ahh, well I'll forget about that because Obama sounds inspiring with tonight's speech"
It's ridiculous! I'm not pushing for Ron Paul in this thread btw, I'm simply saying we are the ones at fault for supporting these SOB's over and over again because the American people are too stupid and blind, and too damn lazy to give a damn. We just have blind support for our parties, that's it. Heck we don't even care about our own poor people in our own damn country. This country is full of a bunch of selfish motherf'ers. Imagine if this was one of our kids, in our own backyards just being blown to . Not our military bases being blown up , but our neighborhoods, families and friends.
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"we allow this to continue"
"we" are out of the picture, the 1% elects/corrupts the Congressman it wants, disenfranchises Human-Americans. Of the 1%, for the 1%, by the 1%.
the tea baggers, financed and run by the VRWC/Repugs, actually got their pro-business, sociopathic candidates elected. OWS might get Liz Warren elected, but that's only because Mass is already a deeply blue state. iow, OWS won't get anybody else elected, so nothing will change.
It's naive to think the overwhelming power of the 1% running the country can be countered.
This is what bothers me. Why should we really think this way? Sure, it's no easy battle, but why accept it? Damn this sucks. When we lost MLK, Cesar Chavez, and people like them, etc we lost our backbones.
Who picked up the damn torch when they left us? Nobody. If they were still alive right now I guarantee you they wouldn't have that defeatist at ude and they would be leading the fight against this very . And I'm not knocking you boutons, i usually agree with you, but I can't accept that we just accept defeat. Because we accept it is exactly why it continues. Yea I sound naive, maybe more people should.
"why accept it"
I don't accept it.
when 40% to 50% of US voters don't vote, or know/care about any ing thing that's going on in politics.
http://elections.gmu.edu/voter_turnout.htm
... there really not much that can be done. And look at the many $Ms of out-of-state Wall St money flowing into Mass. to defect Liz Warren.
European countries typically get around 90% voter turnout. America is a "better" democracy?
In SA, name me one politician in Congress or a candidate, that is daring, just daring, to push the OWS platform.
The Congressional Repugs are intent on destroying, eg, the EPA, ignoring willfully that a majority of Repug Human-Americans want EPA left untouched.
I'm disgusted with local leadership, we haven't had any. We are like 2 decades behind other major cities because of the non existent local leadership, nothing but corruption, cronyism and lack of ideas and a "followers rather than leaders" city mentality.
The problem as well is that even if we did have a great leader, local or national, would we really support him or her? No, we wouldn't. The majority would vote for the guy with great speeches or who the media tells us is electable, we wouldn't support the right guy anyway. I've reached a point where Democratic leaders disgust me just by watching them speak. That sucks because I'm very liberal. But I won't lose my spine by supporting someone just because they tend to agree with some things that I care about, but at the end of the day they just fold.
What good does it do to have a platform, when they don't actually fight for it? The problem is we think they are different, when they really are part of the problem. They are just as bad.
If we did actually have a Cesar Chavez or MLK right now, wouldn't we really just label them crazy and group them with Michael Moore (which there's nothing wrong w Moore to begin with) to destroy his credibility? Isn't that the truth, what America would do to them right now?
I really find this topic to be one of the most important ones in the history of this political forum. Too bad nobody cares too much to discuss the root of the problem. I guess it's just as i said in the original post. Nothing but blind loyalty to two evil parties. Well, that'll never fix anything. Sad.
I can't ever remember being happy for someone I voted for. Mostly, the question is how disappointed I am, or how angry I am. But you are fussing at the wrong people. Those of us that DO vote, one way or the other, for whatever reasons we have, are not the problem. The folks who don't vote because they are bored with politics or because neither party is very different from one another, or because they just don't care to become involved at all...these are the folks who have rejected their responsibility as citizens of this nation.
And voter registration drives and teaching citizenship in schools and pols focusing on voting as a measure of patriotism...all of those are things that can be done to improve voting.
Your rant is understandable but misplaced, I believe. If you put your energy toward improving the information potential voters have about the issues and the candidates and increase the voting population you will improve what you rightly point out is a massive problem in a democracy like ours.
I am glad that you are upset about this. Shows you care about the country. That's more than lots of folks do.
Thanks. I think the part that is our fault, voters I mean, is that we accept the 2 party system and let them get away with their corruption. We choose our own evil rather than what's really truly right, we hide the really bad stuff away about what evil our candidates do, example... the video I posted (and if you haven't watched all the way thru, I encourage you to), and we just accept that and pretend it didn't happen and only want to remember a great speech as if those innocent people weren't ever murdered. It just sickens me and saddens me beyond belief.
I think this thread scares people from discussing us looking at ourselves and what our true responsibility can be, or what it actually should be beyond the norm of just voting and arguing left vs right. It's a look into changing what we are accustomed to. Most people don't want to really go outside of that. Like an unhappy couple that stays together for years because well...why change things..it's much easier to do this than to start all over again. But as long as we don't start over..things will stay the same. We vote in a corrupt system and only us can try to alter that system.
That's my opinion.
I really appreciate the response. Thanks.
I'm happy with all of the decisions I've made as a voter so far, but it's true that most of my voting history has been about voting against one candidate than voting for the other. Which is... unfortunate.
On the one hand, I wish that my decision didn't so often come down to a lesser of two evils and that I could find a candidate in whom I fully, and genuinely believed, but that hasn't happened yet. And, given my leanings and priorities, it isn't likely to happen any time soon. The bigger problem for me, though, is how little faith I have in any president's efficacy. I'm disappointed in a number of the decisions Obama has made in office, for instance, but I knew going in that he hadn't a chance in of changing much of anything in one term. We're far too locked in our sameness. And probably will be for a long while, unless we finally ourselves hard enough to hit bottom.
Amen to that. I'd at least write my name in on the ballot or someone I'd like to be President instead of not vote at all. Will that vote do anything? Well, I'll know I voted my heart.
In general I've been happy with my selections, because they reflected my principles and concerns at the time I voted. This time around I'm going to give it more thought and scrutiny than ever before, because I want that same comfort level as I've had in the past.
I've been throwing my vote away on submarginal candidates I somewhat agree with for years.
I've never been happier with my choices, even though none of them were winners.
Should have been. Nobel Peace prize?..what a disgrace
^^^ buyer's remorse?
Jesus Christ... was that music necessary?
lol Putin TV
Yes, I can live with it.
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