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    i have not watched stephen jackson too much this season - except for his 34 point torturing of the spurs in january. i know that he knows our system and he is malcontent on the bucks' roster.

    thus, i am curious to hear from fellow spurstalkers what are some pros and cons (mostly from the spurs' perspective - but you may add the bucks if you so prefer) of pulling a switch between the 2. milwaukee seems to have benched him for his behavior - similar to the blatche situation in d.c. - and rj would provide them with some ROI.

    they both make around $9.2 mil. the spurs may have to throw in another player (bench-warmer) or some 2nd draft picks to make up for rj's extra year of contract. however, i don't want to focus too much about the details of the transfer, but on the roster improvement. is captain jack worth getting or is he pulling a tom petty on a full moon fever?

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    One insurmountable con: Bucks aren't taking RJ back.

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    Neither team would do the deal. As a fan, I'd be happy with the trade ... even though it's doubtful it'd make the Spurs any better.

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    in fairness to the enigma at the end, here are the options:

    1. Free Falling
    2. A Face in the Crowd
    3. Yer so Bad
    4. Alright for Now
    5. Zombie Zoo

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    srsly?

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    One insurmountable con: Bucks aren't taking RJ back.
    i am just hoping they won't pay him $9 mil a year for 15-20 min per game.

    just speculating, would you do this (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=778ytgo) with the spurs sending a 1st round pick as well?

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    i am just hoping they won't pay him $9 mil a year for a 15-20 min bench-warmer.

    just speculating, would you do this (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=778ytgo) with the spurs sending a 1st round pick as well?
    I'll spell it correctly.

    Seriously?

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    i am just hoping they won't pay him $9 mil a year for 15-20 min per game.

    just speculating, would you do this (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=778ytgo) with the spurs sending a 1st round pick as well?
    The Bucks aren't taking RJ back.

    RJ will be a Spur until they use the amnesty on him.

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    Sjax isn't even trying on that team anymore. Skiles has killed his spirit

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    i take the chucker in jax then the clown rj who like to take his time whether to shoot or pass...fkn

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    Sjax isn't even trying on that team anymore. Skiles has killed his spirit
    Uh, no. Jack's "holding out" for a new contract without actually holding out, another reason we shouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Skiles is correctly trimming his minutes to match his effort.

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    No way the Bucks do the trade but of course it would make us better. For one, SJ is not soft like RJ and I would expect him to be motivated on a contending team. Second, he knows Pop doesn't put up with BS so I expect him to do the right things. I would do the trade in a sec if the Bucks were open to it, which they are not.

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    God damn another Sjax thread? The dude's a in million years old, let it go.

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    No. Even in his prime, Jackson was an inefficient offensive player. I certainly don't want him at this age. Jefferson is actually adapting his game quite nicely to the spurs system/age. The problem is getting him to do it in the playoffs, when it really matters... a la Bonner.

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    Why is it when people talk about a trade around here, they add "some bench warmer" or "filler" on the Spurs side? Besides RJ and a little bit of Bonner (he has his uses), who the is "filler"? Do we currently have any throw away players that we would be okay with letting go as a sweetener in a trade?

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    Jefferson is actually adapting his game quite nicely to the spurs system/age. The problem is getting him to do it in the playoffs, when it really matters... a la Bonner.
    Either you set the bar really low or that didn't come out right.

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    Either you set the bar really low or that didn't come out right.
    ? He shot 44% from 3 last year and is shooting 43% this year. Those are where his opportunities come from. Popo is a very overrated coach, he can't adjust his system to fit the talent with which he's presented, so I would tip my hat to the job Jefferson has done in reinventing his entire game after 10 years in the NBA.

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    ? He shot 44% from 3 last year and is shooting 43% this year. Those are where his opportunities come from. Popo is a very overrated coach, he can't adjust his system to fit the talent with which he's presented, so I would tip my hat to the job Jefferson has done in reinventing his entire game after 10 years in the NBA.
    What does James Jones make a year? He could essentially play the role Jefferson is playing right now, imho.

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    ? He shot 44% from 3 last year and is shooting 43% this year. Those are where his opportunities come from. Popo is a very overrated coach, he can't adjust his system to fit the talent with which he's presented, so I would tip my hat to the job Jefferson has done in reinventing his entire game after 10 years in the NBA.
    Now I've seen it all.. Pop is overrated and is the one holding Jefferson back.. instead of the reality that Jefferson is a soft, overrated scrub.

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    Now I've seen it all.. Pop is overrated and is the one holding Jefferson back.. instead of the reality that Jefferson is a soft, overrated scrub.
    The exact same thing happened to Finley. The Spurs system is where good slashing dynamic players become jump shooters.

    Jefferson needs alot of touches and too be a 1-3 option on offense to be useful to any team.

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    The exact same thing happened to Finley. The Spurs system is where good slashing dynamic players become jump shooters.

    Jefferson needs alot of touches and too be a 1-3 option on offense to be useful to any team.
    Mike Finley hadn't been a dynamic slashing player for probably 2-3 years before he got here.

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    i do admit that the topic has been discussed before; however, only in the past several days/week, did we find out that SJ is not satisfied with his situation in milwaukee, which relegated him to the bench.

    if the bucks think that SJ is a bad influence on their starting point guard (apparently they are close friends), they may be open to a deal more than people think. regardless, i am still unconvinced that SJ would be an improvement over RJ. people seem more willing to bash the trade for not happening than assuming a hypothetical presumption and reasoning both sides of the trade.

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    people seem more willing to bash the trade for not happening than assuming a hypothetical presumption and reasoning both sides of the trade.
    Yes, I am more willing to bash it for not happening.

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    i do admit that the topic has been discussed before; however, only in the past several days/week, did we find out that SJ is not satisfied with his situation in milwaukee, which relegated him to the bench.

    if the bucks think that SJ is a bad influence on their starting point guard (apparently they are close friends), they may be open to a deal more than people think. regardless, i am still unconvinced that SJ would be an improvement over RJ. people seem more willing to bash the trade for not happening than assuming a hypothetical presumption and reasoning both sides of the trade.
    He's unsatisfied with his contract, specifically the fact that while he is under contract for next year, he's angling for an extension that will kick in when he's like 36. Since MIL won't give it to him, he's decided to be a absolute and loaf. That won't change with a change in uniform.

    Oh, and this has been an issue since training camp in December.

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