Reply With QuoteWell, unless they're experts on the Guard Rules and Regulation manual, you're not going to get much out of DeSPURate.
They're only experts on SWIFTBOATS.
are they supposed to have lied about?
Curiousity, you know.
Well, unless they're experts on the Guard Rules and Regulation manual, you're not going to get much out of DeSPURate.
They're only experts on SWIFTBOATS.
They have every right in the world to be mad at Kerry for his testimony. His testimony is controversial and in many ways unfair if you construe it as representing all people who fought in Vietnam.
They are lying when they are saying Kerry is undeserving of any recognition for his medals. There was no way anyone could know at the time to give him special treatment for the medals. The standards for getting a purple heart (any injury), a silver star, and a bronze star were the same for everyone.
They are also lying about how much they knew Kerry. None of them served on the swift boats with him.
You have absolutely no proof of that."They are lying..."
1) It's already been stated that medals were used to raise morale and were often given in questionable cir stances.
2) No one suggested that Kerry was given preferential treatment, he's the one being accused of scamming the medal system to get an early homebound ticket.
So, where did they lie, exactly?
'Fake but accurate', baby.
Oh yeah,
3) Kerry wrote all his own After Action Reports...
Did yall notice the way I worded this sentence:
They are lying when they are saying Kerry is undeserving of any recognition for his medals.
Its pretty fair and doesn't conflict with what you are saying.
Are you arguing that one can lie about an opinion?
An opinion, characterization, or assessment can't be a lie. They believe he is underserving.
No its a factual statement to say he got the medal in the same way that any of them got the medal. If they want to throw away his medals they better damn sure be willing to throw away their own.
what?
They said he doesn't deserve them. That's an opinion or characterization that has nothing to do with their individual cir stances or the medals they received.
They're saying he got them under false pretenses.
He's just arguing to argue. He's got to find a way to let out that anxious energy with Bush bearing down on Kerry in those conservative Republican bastions of Minnesota, Illinois, and New Jersey.
Again in order to buy that you would have to think Kerry tried to get those medals in the hopes that he could run for the presidency off of them.
I have no doubt whatsoever he had designs on a career in politics. I don't think he would deny that either.
He's been planning to be president his whole life, his college buddies used to hum "Hail to the Chief" when he walked into a room. He took an 8 mm camera, reenacted scenes.
C'mon, you're not suggesting he DIDN'T use his cir stances to build a favorable Presidential portfolio, are you?
So he went out looking to find acts of bravery to get the medals?
really I thought he thought he joined the swift boats to avoid combat?
He filmed himself in staged battle scenes.
Enough said.
You do realize he appeared in the 8mm film for a total of ten seconds on screen? The film never showed him doing anything. He had his buddies reenacting other scenes.
No, It's being suggested he seriously embellished at every opportunity."So he went out looking to find acts of bravery to get the medals?"
3 Purple Hearts and only one missed day of work? Silver Star under cir stances that have been questioned. Bronze Star under cir stances that have been questioned. Writes his own After Action Reports.
He did. I posted his own words on the subject elsewhere in this forum, maybe in this thread...I'm not looking for it again."really I thought he thought he joined the swift boats to avoid combat?"
Every unit commander writes their own action reports. Purple hearts were given to anyone based upon any injury. I didn't make that rule and niether did Kerry.
They weren't awarded for self-inflicted wounds.
Guess what, On November 3rd...I don't care. John Kerry will be kicked to the Al Gore has-been bin. He'll be ranting about being cheated out of the presidency and how he used to be the future President of the United States.
None of his were either.
1: 2nd of december 1968
I couldn't read the data for this one
2:30th of february 1968
Suffered shrapnel wounds to his left thigh
3: 13th of March 1969
This one was a detonated mine he suffered wounds to his left buttock and shrapnel wounds to his right forearm
Link to injury report
Actually, the Kerry Campaign didn't refute the charge that one of the Purple Hearts was awarded as a result of him being injured after he fired a mortar round into nearby rocks -- catching a ricochet.
In fact, I believe they allowed that it was possible this was the case.
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