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the worst player on our roster is better then all of the bottom 4 combined
they were just spot up shooters chasing rings on a contender
pop will go at least 10 deep
i see gary being the oddman out unless he needs the backup point and hopefully blair
A lot of posters have been saying that this is the deepest team the Spurs have had since the '03 le. I tend to agree with that. A few posters have also been curbing expectation until they see a bit more of how the roster will align in the future as the Spurs approach the playoffs, and here's the way the playoff roster shook out for '03 along with the minutes they averaged per game throughout the postseason:
Tim Duncan - 42
Tony Parker - 34
Stephen Jackson - 34
Bruce Bowen - 31
Manu Ginobili - 27
David Robinson - 23
Malik Rose - 23
Speedy Claxton - 14
And the rest...
Steve Smith - 7
Danny Ferry - 6
Kevin Willis - 5
Steve Kerr - 5
So the question becomes, do you think Pop will settle on an 8-man roster? If not, how many get significant time? Who are they, in order of most minutes played to least...
the worst player on our roster is better then all of the bottom 4 combined
they were just spot up shooters chasing rings on a contender
pop will go at least 10 deep
i see gary being the oddman out unless he needs the backup point and hopefully blair
Nah, the big 3 are too old to play that many minutes and survive through 4 ish rounds of up to 7 games each.A lot of posters have been saying that this is the deepest team the Spurs have had since the '03 le. I tend to agree with that. A few posters have also been curbing expectation until they see a bit more of how the roster will align in the future as the Spurs approach the playoffs, and here's the way the playoff roster shook out for '03 along with the minutes they averaged per game throughout the postseason:
Tim Duncan - 42
Tony Parker - 34
Stephen Jackson - 34
Bruce Bowen - 31
Manu Ginobili - 27
David Robinson - 23
Malik Rose - 23
Speedy Claxton - 14
And the rest...
Steve Smith - 7
Danny Ferry - 6
Kevin Willis - 5
Steve Kerr - 5
So the question becomes, do you think Pop will settle on an 8-man roster? If not, how many get significant time? Who are they, in order of most minutes played to least...
With the depth on this roster, a full 10 man rotation wouldn't surprise me. This is what I would expect to see on a typical playoff game:
Parker 36
Duncan 32
Leonard 24
Green 24
Diaw 18
Manu 24
Splitter 24
Bonner 22
Neal/Mills 18
Jackson 18
= 240 total game minutes.
Pop will have to go at least 10 deep imo.
At this point its very hard to say what Pop's rotation will look like come playoffs.
Yeah that's kind of what I'm expecting and also the reason why I'm really not sure about our chances here. You can't win it all with Bonner playing that much in important games. Like the guy but that's just not going to get it done.
Bonner getting more minutes than Jack would be a ing travesty. I know Green and Leonard are playing well, but Jack needs to see the bulk of the minutes on the wing if this team expects to win in the playoffs.
Well I guess Jack's minutes would be most likely to fluctuate based on matchups, if Pop wants to play smaller, then we'd see more Jack and less Bonner.
On a typical night however I just figured the Bonner/Tiago tandem would remain somewhat intact since it has shown to be effective this year. Jack can still play as the 3 in this lineup. With Neal, Jack, & Bonner Splitter would have the entire paint all to himself to work with and a bevy of open guys to kick out to.
Exactly, but sadly this distribution of minutes is definitely plausible.
I think Bonner is Pop's major weakness right now. That and playing excessive small ball. If he doesn't adjust quickly when line-ups and players aren't working we're not getting beyond the semis imo.
The pieces are there to do damage though.
I'm sorry but how does Bonner equate to a "bigger" lineup than one with Jack in it? I'd rather have Jack guard any 3 or 4 in the league over Bonner, not to mention the fact that Bonner has consistently proven his inability to hit 3's in the playoffs.
I think Pop will start the playoffs with a 10 man rotation and then reduce it to 8 or 9 players if some players struggle.
My guess:
starting lineup: Parker/Green/Jackson/Diaw/Duncan.
bench: Neal/Ginobili/Leonard/Bonner/Splitter.
That just needed repeating tbh.
The way Green has been playing lately (offensively) I would almost say Jackson's offense isn't needed in the starting lineup, and also I would feel safer knowing Leonard will be assigned the duty of shutting down the opposing teams' best perimeter player from the outset so he can put the damper on their night before they get into any sort of rhythym.
And despite the inexperience factor, I'm still leaning more toward a Green/Leonard pairing with the experienced Manu/Jack tandem playing off the bench. And just looking at things as they stand currently, Parker needs less help on the offensive side of things (than Manu), and it's never a bad idea to put more defense into the starting lineup (esp since no Splitter).
This is pretty much a similar argument I made a month ago about having Jefferson come off the bench instead of starting.
I'm not so sure Jack's skinny frame will handle the more powerful 4's in the league, at least Bonner has some girth to throw around, Jackson is a toothpick who is going to end up getting pushed right out of the way for offensive rebounds.
what an awesome stretch towards the playoffs.
10 deep tops ... with blair and diaw competing for starters minutes (duncan/splitter together is just not going to happen unless it's a reaction to a matchup)
correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't blair started every game so far? he potentially could find himself pushed to the end of the bench regulated to possibly situational or garbage minutes? (and i'm having trouble thinking of when he could provide a situational advantage)
still somewhat early in this playoff rotation process
3 key questions
1) will pop play leonard significant minutes ignoring that whole rookie trust impulse thing he tends to do
2) can neal handle the point, knowing that the scouting report is going to dictate that he gets trapped coming up the court or can ginobili handle the point allowing him to shuffle to the 2 guard
3) blair or diaw .... if diaw, wonder how blair will take the demotion
first 4 minutes of the game (with minutes played)
Parker (38), Green (20), Leonard (26), Duncan (32), Blair/Diaw (18)
Ginobili (28), Splitter (24), Jackson (26), Neal (16), Bonner (12)
final 4 minutes
Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, Jackson, Duncan
* Neal a complete MUST for a final shot situation.
I think Manu would get a lot closer to 32 minutes than 24. I'd say about 30, to be safe.
My dream rotation would be:
Duncan: 32
Diaw: 18
Leonard: 26
Green: 24
Parker: 34
Splitter: 20
Bonner: 16
Jackson: 20
Ginobili: 30
Neal: 20
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The thing about the final shot thing with Neal is it could only be on sideline out of bounds plays or offense/defense subs utions after time outs/fouls/free throws.
You don't want him on defense in a meaningful situation at the end because he's a liability at that end.
I'll add that Blair could still play an important role against physical teams (like the grizz for instance) for when both Jack and Bonner are getting overpowered physically in the paint, this is where Blair could still possibly help out.
Experience will make a difference. Manu will have to start. Pop has said he plans to anyway. Remember what happened to George Hill against Nash in '10? Starting Parker earlier would have probably made a huge difference.
you're right big time. didn't feel the need to state the obvious.
* a must for our final shot *
I get your point on the experience factor being bigger in the playoffs. But as things stand now the team is a legit 10 deep and is playing better basketball with Tony & Manu apart, and leading each of their 5-man units.
I'm not so sure Manu will be reinserted back in the starting lineup, in fact I would bet against it, I think Pop has seen the same thing I have.
Are you kidding me? Please point to ONE GAME where Bonner has played good defense on a 4.
After that, please refer to ONE good playoff game that Bonner has had.
He does not deserve to be in a playoff rotation, no questions asked. Pop is a dumbass if he even considers Bonner in the top 9-10 in the playoff rotation.
You don't see teams get away with that too much in the playoffs.
bonner and blair will not play much if pop goes small ball
neal, green and whatever backup pg will see there minutes decreased...baring any injuries and mismatches, if neal isnt on fire, he offers nothing on the court when we have other ballhandlers on the court
You've got to go 10 deep with our team. If your advantage is depth, you have to use it.
And to whoever said Neal has to be taking the big three balls at the end of the game, I wouldn't mind him doing it. But I don't think it's a must, and I'd like to think Ginobili and Jax would agree with me.
i doubt pop is going to give mills plenty pt in the playoffs...he be lucky to be playin in any series
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