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    JPMorgan Chase & Co., Deutsche Bank AG (DBK) and HSBC Holdings Plc (HSBA) are among at least seven firms facing a Canadian probe into whether they participated in a conspiracy to manipulate prices on interest-rate derivatives.



    The nation’s Compe ion Bureau is investigating conduct by the group -- also including Citigroup Inc. (C), Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, ICAP Plc and RP Martin Holdings Ltd. -- between 2007 and 2010, according to do ents it filed with the Ontario Superior Court in May. Investigators are examining whether firms conspired to affect prices on derivatives linked to the Yen London interbank offered rate, according to the do ents, which were shown to Bloomberg News by court clerks.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...by-canada.html

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    Consider what went on here. Banks took a rate that they artificially set themselves, and then went out and convinced municipalities and pension funds and others to bet against them on the rate. LIBOR rates were supposed to be set by bank treasurers reflecting what it cost them to borrow from other banks. But reportedly a number of bank treasurers consulted traders when deciding what rate to report to the organization in London that collected and posted the rates. (LIBOR stands for the London InterBank Offered Rate) What's more, traders at a number of banks were given access to the systems that bank officials used to enter the rate so they could overwrite the rates with ones that would better suit them. When the rate went the way Wall Street traders programed it to do, the banks cashed in millions.


    The LIBOR rate also affects what many of us pay on our adjustable mortgage, home equity loans, car loans and others. But that is a little bit of an aside. The real, clear damage is in the contracts that banks set up with municipalities and others to bet on their own manipulated rates. Baltimore was sold as much as $300 million in LIBOR contracts. The city is the lead plaintiff in the class action against the banks. The suits say the LIBOR market is as large as $90 trillion. Though some have put the market of things the rates affects as much as $350 trillion in loans and derivatives. The suit says on average over the period it was manipulated the banks artificially held the LIBOR rate down by 0.87%. Go with the smaller figure and by back of the envelope math, you get that the banks could have made as much as $750 billion on their scheme, but it probably wasn't that much since banks were probably asked to long and short on the rate.
    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/...talking-about/

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    "Why do you envy the wealthy their hard-earned riches"

    --WC

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    we need more financial deregulation so financial innovations can flourish and create jobs

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    "In short, no promising financial path is before us. It’s good that the American economy seems to be recovering, and this may shove some problems into the future. But banking and finance remain a mess at their core. Welcome to the 21st century."

    iow, America is ed and un able.

    The financial system survived 2008/2009 with its overwhelming power, wealth, and ownership of the govt intact, and unchallengeable.

    We even get shill here ing about Dodd-Frank, which itself was gutted by the banksters.
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    "Why do you envy the wealthy their hard-earned riches"

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    And you wonder why nobody takes you serious.

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    you defend the extremely wealthy IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, REPEATEDLY, not me.

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    you defend the extremely wealthy IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, REPEATEDLY, not me.
    You did a fair job of kissing Soro's ass earlier, bd.

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=35

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    you defend the extremely wealthy IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, REPEATEDLY, not me.
    while you tell the 99%, repeatedly and stridently, that all resistance is futile. who's the willing stooge again?

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    resistance IS futile.

    IT'S OVA, dreamers.

    eg, OWS won't get even one seat in Congress, there won't be even one OWS candidate.

    I don't kiss Soros' ass.

    More people watch Fox Repug network everyday than all the OWS peoples combined.

    And nobody here has any suggestion of why America could be un ed.

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    Wow. This thing is really beginning to blow up. Still waiting for American msm to catch on.

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    The LIBOR manipulation story has exploded into a major scandal overseas. The CEO of Barclays, Bob Diamond, has resigned in disgrace; his was the first of what will undoubtedly be many major banks to walk the regulatory plank for fixing the interbank exchange rate. The Labor party is demanding a sweeping criminal investigation. Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, responded the way a real public official should (i.e. not like Ben Bernanke), blasting the banks:
    It is time to do something about the banking system…Many people in the banking industry are hardworking and feel badly let down by some of their colleagues and leaders. It goes to the culture and the structure of banks: the excessive compensation, the shoddy treatment of customers, the deceitful manipulation of a key interest rate, and today, news of yet another mis-selling scandal.
    The furor is over revelations that Barclays, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and other banks were monkeying with at least $10 trillion in loans (The Wall Street Journal is calculating that that LIBOR affects $800 trillion worth of contracts).


    The banks gamed LIBOR for two semi-overlapping reasons. As noted here last week, there were instances of Barclays traders badgering the LIBOR submitters to "push down" rates in order to fatten their immediate bottom lines, depending on what they were trading or holding that day. They also apparently rigged LIBOR downward in order to produce a general appearance of better health, essentially tweaking their credit scores a few ticks upward.


    Most intriguingly, or perhaps disturbingly, there were revelations last week that Bank of England deputy Governor Paul Tucker had a conversation with Diamond at the peak of the crisis in 2008. The conversation reportedly left Diamond, and subsequently his traders, with the impression that the bank had carte blanche to rig LIBOR downward in order to help allay spiraling public fears about the banks’ poor financial health.


    British officials, and Tucker individually, deny that Tucker gave Diamond permission to rig rates. But a report by British regulators did conclude that the two were talking about Barclays LIBOR submissions on October 29, 2008, and that as a result of that conversation, Diamond came away with a “misunderstanding.” The Daily Mail quotes the Financial Services Authority report:
    However, as the substance of the telephone conversation was relayed down the chain of command at Barclays, a misunderstanding or miscommunication occurred.
    This meant that Barclays’ submitters believed mistakenly that they were operating under an instruction from the Bank of England (as conveyed by senior management) to reduce Barclays’ Libor submissions.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...703?print=true

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    Everybody STILL want to give their SS funds to Wall St to gamble with?

    My guess is that Wall St, etc will "settle", pay wrist-slap fines, nobody goes to jail, and will fight in every country even the slightest financial regulations, and defeat them all.

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    Massive Furor in UK Over Libor Manipulation; Where’s the Outrage Here?

    In case it isn’t yet apparent to you, the unfolding scandal over manipulation of Libor and its Euro counterpart Euribor is a huge deal. Even though at this point, only Barclays, the UK bank that was first to settle, is in the hot lights, at least 16 other major financial players, which means pretty much everybody, is implicated.

    First, Libor is the basis for pricing over $10 trillion of loans. As the CTFC noted:

    US dollar Libor is the basis for the settlement of the three-month Eurodollar futures contract traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which had a traded volume in 2011 with a notional value exceeding $564 trillion.

    The Wall Street Journal puts total in contracts affected at $800 trillion.

    Second is that price fixing is a criminal violation under the Sherman an rust act. The Department of Justice stressed that Barclays had been the first bank to cooperate with the investigation and had been extremely forthcoming, and for that reason it would not be prosecuted if it complied with the settlement terms for two years. The implication is that the DoJ will not be as generous with other banks involved in the price-fixing scheme. This is an overview from the Financial Times of Barclay’s misdeeds:

    The bank admitted that it lowballed estimates of its borrowing costs from late 2007 to May 2009 because it wanted to reassure investors of its strength during the financial crisis and it believed other banks were doing the same. It also admitted that its traders improperly influenced the rate submissions from 2005 to 2008 to make money on derivatives.

    Note that, according to Barclays, there were two scandals: one is the usual “rogue traders” sort, which took place from 2005 to 2007 (funny how these CEOs take credit for overall performance for bonus purposes and blame inadequately supervised lower level employees whenever real trouble arises?); the second, as we will discuss, is that Barclays submitted lower rates for the daily Libor “fixing” than its actual funding costs to make itself look healthier than it was during the crisis. Readers in comments at the time were reporting that published Libor was 30 to 40 basis points below where they found the market to be. Since lawsuits are being launched against Barclays, we will likely see estimates of the impact of the manipulation.

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/...=Google+Reader

    USA MSM not covering it?

    Fox not repeating ad nauseam this is Wall St's Watergate?

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    Matt Taibbi and Yves Smith have been all over this one from the get go, but I am not seeing much from the major news outlets although NPR had a nice segment outlining it on Morning Edition today.

    http://www.northcountrypublicradio.o...home-literally

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/...home-literally

    This is a huge deal.

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    "This is a huge deal"

    corporate media won't touch it to avoid scaring away bank, finance, stock broker, c/c advertising.

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    Here's another corporate/medical/corruption fraud case that isn't getting nearly as much MSM coverage as it should (BigPharma spends $60B+/year on advertising, much of it to MSM)

    GlaxoSmithKline settles healthcare fraud case for $3 billion

    GSK targeted the antidepressant Paxil to patients under age 18 when it was approved for adults only, and it pushed the drug Wellbutrin for uses it was not approved for, including weight loss and treatment of sexual dysfunction, according to an investigation led by the U.S. Justice Department.

    The company went to extreme lengths to promote the drugs, such as distributing a misleading medical journal article and providing doctors with meals and spa treatments that amounted to illegal kickbacks, prosecutors said.

    In a third instance, GSK failed to give the U.S. Food and Drug Administration safety data about its diabetes drug Avandia, in violation of U.S. law, prosecutors said.

    The misconduct continued for years beginning in the late 1990s and continued, in the case of Avandia's safety data, through 2007. GSK agreed to plead guilty to three misdemeanor criminal counts, one each related to the three drugs.

    Guilty pleas in cases of alleged corporate misconduct are exceedingly rare, making GSK's agreement especially unusual.

    The agreement to settle the charges "is unprecedented in both size and scope," said James Cole, the No. 2 official at the U.S. Justice Department. He called the action "historic" and "a clear warning to any company that chooses to break the law."

    The settlement includes $1 billion in criminal fines and $2 billion in civil fines.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...=Google+Reader

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    and of course, one can't imprison a Corporate-American, or any of its executives.

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    Beyond Barclays: Laying out the Libor Investigations

    So who else is being investigated?

    Revelations about other banks have been trickling out over the past year:

    · UBS previously made agreements to cooperate with several international investigations in exchange for leniency on potential criminal charges.

    · Citigroup was also a target of investigation. Earlier this year, it emerged that a few traders at Citigroup and UBS tried to manipulate Libor rates for the Yen.

    · The Times of London reported that Royal Bank of Scotland could soon be hit with a fine of up to $150 million for related charges.

    · Bank of America also reportedly received a subpoena last year from regulators as part of the investigation. JPMorgan Chase, Credit Suisse, HSBC and others were also on the Libor-setting panel during the period being investigated.

    · Last fall, European regulators seized do ents from Deutsche Bank and others regarding manipulation of the Euribor.

    Private lawsuits over Libor are already underway. Last summer, Charles Schwab filed a suit alleging anti-trust violations against many Libor-setting banks and at least one class action has been filed alleging that Libor manipulation meant banks paid “unduly low interest rates to investors.”

    http://www.propublica.org/article/be...investigations

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    Libor: The Crime of the Century

    The U.S. Justice Department made a deal with Barclays, and although it may prosecute some individuals in the scam, it agreed not to go after the bank itself. “Such an agreement makes sense only if that cooperation will allow prosecutors to nail other banks that have been involved in setting the rates, including potential cases against Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and HSBC ... ,” the Times editorial said.

    Both Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase were reported by The Wall Street Journal years ago to be suspected of rigging the Libor interest rate. The leaders of those banks, despite such media exposure, clearly remained confident enough to continue on their merry way.

    The sad reality is that they will probably get away with it. The world of high finance is by design as obscure and opaque as the bankers and their political surrogates can make it, and even this most recent crack in their defense of deception will soon be made to go away.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/168...crime-century#

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    Former Senior Barclays Staffer Charges Diamond with Lying to MPs in Select Committee Testimony

    Diamond said he found out what his traders were up to only two weeks ago, when the fines dropped into his inbox. What I don’t understand is why the MPs didn’t make more of that. If that is the case, and yet they’ve paid £300m in fines, in my view it is impossible that he wouldn’t have known.

    Barclays operates a policy of escalation. That is endemic. It is almost entombed in the culture of the bank. The purpose of that is that if something goes wrong it gets escalated up the line. I don’t know how or why Diamond wasn’t questioned more on that point. Libor fixing was escalated by several people up to their directors, they would then have escalated it up to the line because, at Barclays, if you don’t escalate and it is found that out you haven’t, it is grounds for disciplinary action. You will be dismissed. You are taught that, and you have to do regular in-house FSA courses. You have to sign off every year. If a member of a team saw something and didn’t escalate they would be fired….

    Back in 2008, we noticed what was going on with Libor. We were informed on a weekly basis of the rates we were having to charge to clients and the rates at which Barclays was borrowing. The dealers in our Treasury area, they would send a monthly update of the difference between the Libor interest rate they were quoting and the Libor they were getting. They were advising us of the difference of what was being published and their actual cost of funds. This was escalated up.

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/...=Google+Reader

    lots of the readers' comments seem to be from financial industry insiders

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    "LIBOR is supposed to be a pretty honest number because it is assumed, for a start, that banks play by the rules and give truthful estimates."



    Who assumes that? Banksters will steal every $B they can, BECAUSE THEY CAN and everybody else pays.

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    ^^^picked a nit and broke his wrist patting himself on the back for it

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