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If there is a Big 12 network in the future, having Notre Dame in it would make up for the loss of Texas as part of it.
However
I'm sure ND is working on their own network and if they want to make that work, it is going to have to be in the Big 12.
” No, the Big 12 isn't planning on expanding just yet. That doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't welcome Notre Dame, though.
Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told CBSSports.com on Tuesday that conference representatives have spoken with the Irish as far back as August 2010 about moving the athletic department's Olympic sports to the Big 12.
"Notre Dame has options," Dodds said. "I think they love their position. I certainly think they can continue to do what they're doing and do it well and be a major player. But they have options.
"We've talked to Notre Dame about the Big 12 ... They could put some football here [by playing a few non-conference games against Big 12 opponents]."...
http://espn.go.com/blog/notre-dame-f...ts-courting-nd
If there is a Big 12 network in the future, having Notre Dame in it would make up for the loss of Texas as part of it.
However
I'm sure ND is working on their own network and if they want to make that work, it is going to have to be in the Big 12.
Yeah, I doubt Tech would want their football program to be part of a Big XII network. They're too full of themselves for something like that.
I think Notre Dame is probably past its peak as an independent football en y. It certainly can continue down that route, but the largess from a relatively desperate and therefore spendthrift NBC could be running out since the Irish consistently suck compared to what they are getting paid. ND might want to find a good conference home while they still have their choice.
ND already has their own network. It's called NBC.
Looks like the NBC-ND contract runs through 2015. Doubtful they'd make a move until after that runs out.
If/when they do make a move, it would be a shock if it were to any conference other than the B1G.
Big 12 landing them is an absolute long shot, but they still have to make an effort. It makes sense that Dodds would be trying to court them.
If the B1G wants Notre Dame than they get Notre Dame. Assuming ND is going to join a conference.
The B1G has always wanted Notre Dame. ND is not a slam dunk to the
B1G even if they were forced to join a conference.
True.
It's a slam dunk.ND is not a slam dunk to the
B1G even if they were forced to join a conference.
I don't think it's a slam dunk. Maybe a free throw.
A Manu free throw. Certainly not a playoff Tiago Splitter free throw.
There are some good ND posters on the Rivals site that have a good pulse on how ND feels about joining a conference.
According to them.
1. ND Faculty are all for joining the B1G, the B1G equates to joining the CIC and that fits right in with their desire to become more of a research ins ution.
2. Alumni are all pretty happy with being independent and if it is possible they would rather keep it that way in football.
3. Alumni are also pretty solid that if they had to join a conferece they don't join the B1G. One simple reason. It would regionalize them to the B1G footprint and that is something they don't want. They feel like they need to keep this persona of being a national brand moving them to a conference outside the B1G footprint will help to keep that national appeal.
4. They realize they need to keep up with national recruiting which means keeping strong ties to the Southeast, Texas and California. No matter what they know they have a presents in the North East and the Rust belt states, but that isn't enough when you are ND. They need greater access to the recruiting hotbeds.
5. ND has always lived by their own rules, when they partnered with NBC it was huge and sent shockwaves throughout the whole NCAA. Most was just air, because ND has never had the success some felt they would have as a result. The kicker that tilts ND away from the B1G is the idea that joining the B1G they would give up more revenue than they would get back. In the eyes of the Irish fans, they bring more food to the dinner table than Indiana or Perdue does so why does everyone get the same size plate.
ND is talking to Texas because Texas felt the same way in the Big 12 (as did Nebraska, A$M, Oklahoma, and other) this is why they all voted for unequal revenue every time it came up.
ND wants to be rewarded for being ND, not for being another nameless face in the B1G. The Big 12 is the only conference that will allow them to keep NBC and possibly their own network. This puts the B1G and the Big 12 on equal footing.
Everything we talk about is all dependent upon what happenes with the playoff system. If being independent locks them out then I would put my money on the Big 12 over the B1G. If it doesn't then look for them to stay independent.
CIC will be major reason why (Fightin Catholics will not join B1G and NBC will throw "Coffers of CASH" for ND tv rights. The payment will exceed what they would get from B1G network.
The B1G has turned down a Notre Dame application before (twice), once being around 1906 and the other in 1926.
The B1G would take ND now in a heartbeat, but it won't happen unless ND is forced to join a conference and even then there are other options for ND so while IF ND had to join a conference the B1G would be the favorite, but probably not by much.
The only thing giving the B1G and sort of advantage is the CIC and that is not as huge for a school like ND as one might think.
Notre Dame is not a research ins ution so they really are not losing much when it comes to the CIC.
The real question comes when one asks the question. Do they want to be a research school moving forward? If they answer yes, (which seems to be the case) then joining the CIC moves them in the fast lane to making that happen. If the CIC advantage is not there then the B1G becomes a much lower option. The fact is there are greater advantages to joining the Big 12 than any other conference.
The Big 12 offers greater avenues for more revenue but the schools they associate with are lower academic standing than they would like (excluding Texas). The B1G gives them lower revenue but the schools in that conf are higher academic standing. ACC is the same as the B1G but the issues with the ACC are the same as the B1G as well.
It really all comes down to one thing, CIC, do they want in or not. If yes than the B1G, if no than the Big 12 is their clear cut leader.
IF anything happens soon it will be Notre Dame joining a conference without football. Which is whatever.to partial members.
Geography would be the bigger advantage
The Big 12 rumor is that they join without football but would give the Big 12 4 games a year for conference mbrs with one being an all the time game with Texas. More than likely that would replace a$m on Thanksgiving.IF anything happens soon it will be Notre Dame joining a conference without football. Which is whatever.
Also hear as an enticement, there might be a second always on game with FSU.
Lots of noise today about ND in B12. They are set to meet all week in DC next week about the final BCS product. The solution is either going to be a straight top, a top 4 based solely on conf champs, a hybrid based upon 2 or 3 conf champs and then 1 or 2 highest ranked at large teams, or a selection committee much like the NCAA March Madness. ND is invited to these talks along with the other conf commishes.
ND realizes that the way they do business now has long been more monetarily beneficial, however NBC ratings are dying as NBC has no other college football programming to surround it with, their contract will likely not be renewed for the same type dollars when it runs out in 2015 and all the TV money is going to conf TV packages. At one time ND had THE contract with NBC at over 1Mil per game, but as the confs are now getting 20+Mil per season, these numbers pale in comparison. NBC will not up the money to be compe ive with the money they could get in B12.
Additionally, with the fact that conf championships may somehow play a part in the final solution, this would automatically exclude ND. When the BCS was originally conceived, ND was a yearly power and had to be included somehow. Now they aren't and many of the confs resent how ND gets special privileges. Therefore VERY unlikely any special clauses to include ND in the top 4 will be included. The current clause says ND automatically gets in the BCS with 9 wins. They have only had 3 seasons of the entire BCS era with 9 wins. In those years they were ranked 10, 5, and 11. They have been obliterated each BCS bowl game they have been in. They will not get any special treatment in the new BCS format, as no one believes they have done anything to deserve special treatment. 9 wins is 'easier' in today’s format, as they now have 12 games vs. the 11 they had when the BCS was started. If anything, they may up it to say ND has to have 10 wins to get in, which they have only done twice since BCS began.
Suffice it to say, ND is starting to realize where the ball is rolling (towards confs) and will have a better shot at being in the BCS (which is the goal - the cash cow) being in a conf. They will get more money in a conf. They will be on networks that promote college football and not just on ND game. B12 gives them the ability to sell their 3rd tier rights, which they can still do to NBC and will most likely get a LARGE amount for a few 3rd tier rights to ND/SC, ND/Mich, etc. There is also additional B12 Champ Game money.
One of ND's main hang-ups is not the independent life, per se, as it is losing revenue from the major historic rivalries. If ND comes, they want to still play as many of these games as possible, but they won’t be able to keep them all, such as possibly the service academies. ALSO, ND wants to have a one of their perm rivals in the other div one of the marquee schools (uo, UT, FSU) which obviously FSU wants, as well. If ND comes, it would be a 14 team league, meaning 6 in div games, 2 rotating cross-div games and 1 perm cross-div rivalry game. It may end up being that if FSU/ND are in the same div, they have to fight over who gets UT as a perm rival, which is, in reality, what they both want. B12 wants to placate FSU by giving them anything they want in the 12-team deal, but ND will get any and everything they want in a 14-team deal, which FSU wouldn’t' be happy about.
The likely deal being brokered and negotiated will call for FSU/Clem to start playing FB in B12 in 2014, ND's Olympic sports to transition in 2014-2015 and ND to start playing FB in the B12 2015-2016, which would involve a 4th team to become #14. ND wants some say and some play in that process.
People can pose and posture like Dr. Tom did and say this or that may be about academics, but it is now, and will always be from now on, all about the benjamins. ND puts millions of their FB dollars directly into academics, so to them the two are inseparable. With the FB money go the academics. Furthermore, in the B10/1, ND would just be just another fish in the bucket academically. In the B12, they would be the undisputed leader academically.
The future of college FB will not have a place for an independent, historically great but recently average, historically pampered for no real good reason, team playing the service academies and a few scrubs from other confs annually. ND is going to be in need of a conf and the B12 is the flavor of the day.
It'll also be interesting to see how long BYU can stay independent
I'm interested to see what the Pac does, it's not like there are a ton of great universities out west that they can pick and choose from like out east. BYU would be a natural choice but fe-kal and Stanturd blocked them last go around.
So Texas is still calling all the shots. I see nothings changed
Glad were gone
If the Big 12 can replace ATM with ND on Thanksginving day in a couple of years, many UT and CFB fans in general will also be glad...Just my opinionSo Texas is still calling all the shots. I see nothings changed
Glad were gone
Yup...and Aggie fan will still be getting their annual prison treatment by LSU.
Man, if the Big 14 turns out to have FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame and BYU they'll be sitting pretty.
I'm surprised Aggie is such a socialist at heart.
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