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    ...the Police are minutes away.

    Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store

    If you have a family and don't have a CHL, you don't love them enough to believe it's your responsibility to protect them and yourself.

    Just sayin'

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    ing , what is wrong with some people?

    And being able to legally conceal a gun can be just as bad as it can be good. Goes both ways, son

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    ing , what is wrong with some people?
    Evil exists.

    And being able to legally conceal a gun can be just as bad as it can be good. Goes both ways, son
    How so?

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    ...the Police are minutes away.

    Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store

    If you have a family and don't have a CHL, you don't love them enough to believe it's your responsibility to protect them and yourself.

    Just sayin'
    How many 100Ms of visits in a grocery store are totally without violence?

    Driving to/from the grocery store is MUCH more risky.

    The guns/ammo industry's lapdog/surrogate NRA loves to scare bubbas into spending $100Ms on the extremely small chance of needing one.

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    fear and smear is Yoni's whole game.

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    Are you serious? Someone could conceal a gun and use it to kill people too?

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    How many 100Ms of visits in a grocery store are totally without violence?

    Driving to/from the grocery store is MUCH more risky.

    The guns/ammo industry's lapdog/surrogate NRA loves to scare bubbas into spending $100Ms on the extremely small chance of needing one.
    Very good point

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    Are you serious? Someone could conceal a gun and use it to kill people too?
    Which is illegal, and can be dealt with in the criminal justice system....

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    Are you serious? Someone could conceal a gun and use it to kill people too?
    They already do so, I'd rather be an opponent than a target.

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    The guns/ammo industry's lapdog/surrogate NRA loves to scare bubbas into spending $100Ms on the extremely small chance of needing one.
    While helping pass gun control legislation at the same time, tbh....

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    How many millions of miles are driven without incident? Yet, we buckle our seat belts, drive defensively, and buy vehicles with advanced safety features.

    Arming yourself is no different. It's not the times you don't need a gun that matter and boutons statistics are meaningless to victims of gun violence whose government refuses to give them the means to defend themselves against people who ignore the law.

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    How many millions of miles are driven without incident? Yet, we buckle our seat belts, drive defensively, and buy vehicles with advanced safety features.

    Arming yourself is no different. It's not the times you don't need a gun that matter and boutons statistics are meaningless to victims of gun violence whose government refuses to give them the means to defend themselves against people who ignore the law.
    I don't know anyone who owns a gun here. Not one friend, not one family. No one. No one has ever even been in a fight let alone come across harm. I don't know if we just live in a less violent country or the fact you can easily have guns makes violence worse.. who knows. All I know is that I've lived a couple decades without any trouble and I've never fired a gun. I also live in a capital city

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    Which is illegal, and can be dealt with in the criminal justice system....
    Explain that to the dead and injured. "Oh, don't worry, we have laws to deal with the shooter."

    We know of at least three people, in that theater that night, who showed extreme courage by sacrificing themselves to save someone they loved. Can you imagine if there had been three concealed handgun licensees in the theater, trained in active shooter scenarios, with a similar level of courage?

    I can. I can imagine a lot fewer than 13 dead and 58 injured.

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    Butons:
    The guns/ammo industry's lapdog/surrogate NRA loves to scare bubbas into spending $100Ms on the extremely small chance of needing one.
    Except when you do.

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    I don't know anyone who owns a gun here. Not one friend, not one family. No one. No one has ever even been in a fight let alone come across harm. I don't know if we just live in a less violent country or the fact you can easily have guns makes violence worse.. who knows. All I know is that I've lived a couple decades without any trouble and I've never fired a gun. I also live in a capital city
    I'm assuming you're in Australia, is that correct?

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    bible-belt 'round anglo-waste, putting sinners in their place
    yeah, right, great if you're so good explain the stains on your face
    white trash get down on your knees, time for cake and sodomy
    time for cake and sodomy
    Britney Spears?

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    I'm assuming you're in Australia, is that correct?
    Yeah, very few gun deaths and different gun legislation so it's kind of like comparing apples with oranges by one token. I'm just saying it isn't necessary to have a firearm to stay safe

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    Australia saw its violent crime rates soar after its 1996 Port Arthur gun -control measures banned most firearms. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than they did the year before the law went into effect. Armed robbery rates increased 74%. Australia's violent crime rate is also now double America's.
    These statistics appear in several unsourced articles I found and I had heard this before. If you know of someplace to access this data from the Australian government, I'd be willing to to look at that

    But, if true, gun control appears to drive up violence (most of the articles point to similar trends in other countries that have enacted gun control laws).

    Personally, I don't much think the victims of violence care if it is with a gun or a lead pipe that someone tries to take their life.

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    Sarah McLachlan tbh

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    How many 100Ms of visits in a grocery store are totally without violence?

    Driving to/from the grocery store is MUCH more risky.

    The guns/ammo industry's lapdog/surrogate NRA loves to scare bubbas into spending $100Ms on the extremely small chance of needing one.
    How many stabbings, break ins, home invasions, rapes, assults, car jackings etc. DON'T happen because someone may have a gun?

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    While helping pass gun control legislation at the same time, tbh....
    the NRA helps "pass gun control"

    You right-wingers are good for nothing but laughs

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    How many stabbings, break ins, home invasions, rapes, assults, car jackings etc. DON'T happen because someone may have a gun?
    you tell me.

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    See for yourself:

    Guns and Self Defense

    It's interactive so, have fun!

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    I see Yoni provided some info. But I'm sure the number is grossly understated as it doesn't take into account all of the non-incidents due to a would be perp not wanting to take a chance.

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