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why on earth would you deal tony parker for an unproven rookie? goodness. where is this madness coming from?
Well, overall pick #30 of next week's draft is the Phoenix pick we traded to the Knicks (along with Malik Rose and our #1 next year) for Nazr Mohammed. I think it paid off. I think it pays off even more after we have Nazr for a full training camp and season. It also makes Rasho tradeable. And barring injury to Tim and Manu, I see a return trip to the NBA Finals in 2006 and chance for repeat denied us by .4 seconds in 2004.
The pick projected for us in a Mock Draft was listed as one of the 5 top PF with the fol comments:
5. Ike Diogu, 6-8, Arizona State, junior – Dominant player in the Pac 10 the last few years despite limited support. Space eater with great scoring ability down low.
But isn't Scola a PF? If not, we could get a PF thru free agency. Who wouldn't want to come to the leading Western Conferenct contender?
I believe there is a possibility we trade up. After four years, I think Parker has shown that unless Pop changes stripes and becomes more uptempo then Parker is an inconsistent playoff PG. Although a rookie, Beno (or Beans as I like to call him) has shown every he fill our need for a conventional PG. The only question mark was his ability to stay healthy. We could even go after the Lithuanian PG (who played at Maryland and the Olympics) who we tried to pry loose from Euro-ball a couple of yrs ago. He's considered the best PG overseas who yearns to prove it in the NBA, and he could start while Beans matures.
Bottom line: Parker is a score first type PG who is only 23 and who teams would find extremely attractive, believing he has an upside. Maybe he does. But a team with a strong need for a PG would give up an All-Star SF or Lottery pick; and we need a SF that not only can defend (Bowen is getting old) but who can create his own shot and score with the Rock. That would give us offensive flexibility with nice scoring options at the 2, 3 and 4 positions when people throw 3 players at Tim (like Detroit did). Bench is still a strong point with Horry, Barry, Brown, Scola and whoever we bring back. I'd love to see what Big Dog could give us with a training camp and full season. If by February he's not working out, then trade him.
With that said, depending on how the draft goes we could just stand pat and go with our international flavor and pick someone who will be there at pick #28.
PS. If we had lost the game this thread would be led "Fire Pop; Keep Parker" emphasizing we need a coach that will use Parker and Manu to play uptempo like Phoenix (figure more rules changes so more Phoenix-like teams become the norm), but we'd still have the players to play trademark Spurs defense.
why on earth would you deal tony parker for an unproven rookie? goodness. where is this madness coming from?
I wish like that they would trade Parker but I don't think it's gonna happen.
i wish like you'd stop thinking you knew jack about basketball but...
Everybody's still drunk
Beno has shown his ability to fulfill our needs as a point guard? He didn't even play the last few games of the playoffs because he was so bad on the floor. I'm not saying Parker was spectacular against Detroit, but he has played well in the playoffs. You just don't give away Parker for some guy who has yet to step foot in the NBA.
I wish like that they would trade Parker
But he doesn't hate Tony parker noooooo
After so much has been invested in Parker, horrible move to trade Parker.
His coast to coasts, his tear drops, his blazing speed...no way in do you trade Tony...
hey, if the spurs can get ben wallace or shaq, okafur, , even wade....then yeah, trade tony parker...til then STFU please.
After all the bull they went through to extend his contract last offseason, it would be stupid to trade him. He is still young and has nothing but potential.
Parker is vital to the Spurs system. He is not a true point guard, but they don't need a true point guard. Have people already forgotten how well and how evenly he played the ing MVP in the CF? He did as good a job on a stronger pg as he could and his ability to contain Rip is what allowed Pop to switch Bowen over.
Again. They will not trade Parker - he has improved vastly since the last championship, and will only get better. He's one of the fastest in the league and his inconsistency is better than previously. As he gets older he will get steadier. That's why they are investing so much money in him.
Nazr will not improve much. Rasho will not be traded. When will people understand that the Spurs NEEDED and continue to need a true size back up center? We don't need yet another PF who subs in as a smaller center. With the expanded cap room, Holt can afford to keep both and he will. Rasho is better defensively and pulls in more offensive boards. He will stay.
Scola will come in, and we will resign Horry. We do not need another PF. We do need to start training up another SF under Bruce Bowen, but will likely keep Linton Johnson for that, and potentially Devin Brown (though he seems more comfortable in the 2 spot).
Something else worth noting is that while Parker struggles against pg's who are stronger than he, he can torch the smaller, faster pg's in the league. And that, friends, is where the league is headed in the next few years - away from stolid bigs and into smaller more athletic running teams. But there are enough bigs still around that it is smart to keep Rasho for now.
u dont trade him for someone unproven, but you better damn show hope he gets his soft mental ass in gear during playoffs. come on man, shot an airball on a routine shot he usually takes. 3 seasons now. claxton in 03 he sure as wasnt any bigger than parker..hmmmmm.
Dear God! We just won a friggin' championship and people are already looking for ways to dismantle the team! There's nothing wrong with a little forward thinking, but the reality of this team is that they don't have too many free agency issues (with the exception of Glenn Robinson I expect most everyone will be back next year.) Bowen is getting a little long in the tooth but I have yet to see any real sign of him slowing down at all. Horry is getting on in years, but if we bring in Scola (and he's as good as advertised) the Spurs can limit Rob's minutes, not wear him out, and get another quality post season out of him. Otherwise don't fix what ain't broke!
It never fails, Parker starts off a series hot, the opponent radically changes their defense to stop his penetration and suddenly Spurs fans want to trade him.
Manu was less than stellar in a not too few games this series. Maybe we should trade him?
this team needs to address some needs
suns have tried to get better who knows if it will work or if they use kurt thomas
but this team should not make moves just to make moves
game manu sucked at the end of the game
he played 41 minutes that game
do you think spurs should trade him because he was to worn out and played bad?
Unless you can get wade you got to keep parker. I think you add scola and keep everybody else. Of course big dog will probably be gone, devin might be in high demand so he might be gone as well (I think he would be a solid replacement for bowen in a couple of years).
You need rasho and nazr. As long as you got shaq and yao in the league you need a legitimate 7 footer.
I really, really, really, hope they resign brown even for just a one year contract. With that I think are lineup will look like this:
g parker
g manu
f bruce
f td
c nazr
g beno
g barry
f brown (positive thinking)
f horry
c rasho
f scola
draft pick/free agent
Don't forget about Linton Johnson III - he's a legitimate replacement for Bowen, and less scary than Devin in terms of injuries. It seems clear to me that if they kept him this whole time, they've got some sort of stake in him.
yeah he true. but parker totally disappears. not to mention disappears to the bench. pop always has to talk to him.
yeah parker always starts of hot, drives to the basket and jumps with no where to go (he is notorious for that) back to back tos, airballs, u name it. defense sure changes a lot of that.
u want to bust out stats...bust them out. stats and body language tell all. im not a huge fan of parker, im glad the spurs won, but this is our future pg and 3 seasons now during the playoffs in big games this guy is abscent way too many times.
Trade the starting point guard of the current champions? Wha? Why try and fix what's not broken? I'd rather the Spurs win in game 7 of the Finals with a good pg then get bounced earlier in the playoffs with a "great" pg. It's about the team, not the players. He works well with us, don't mess up the chemistry.
Please lay off Parker haters. He had a decent series. Nobody was outstanding these playoffs. Tony had a decent offensive series and a great defensive series. Remember his play on Rip in game 5? Anyhow, Pop really praised Parker. He's staying.
Parker is a liability to this team in the playoffs. He has been every year. Remember he had to benched last Finals, and Seely ran the team. This Finals, Bowen had to cover his man, and Pop had to bench Parker right at the beginning for screwing up the start of the game for us. After which, Parker just disappeared. He had one good three tho.
I'm not getting on Parker as much as you think tho. I actually believe he gave 110% out there. He was always hustling on Defense, and was doing his best (tho, mebbe trying to hard), on offense.
I just don't think he's gonna improve. After 4 years with the SPURS, 2 trips to the FINALS, I think we've had enough time to make some valid judgements on the guy. To me, he's our weakest, and most inconsistent link. Just cause we've spent so much time and energy on him is no reason not to trade him...why pour good money after bad.
Do I think Pop will trade him. No.
So, I think we're stuck with him. And, to be honest, there are good qualities about the guy. He fits well into the makeup of the team. He seems good freinds with TIM and Manu...he's part of the family. He does have a lotta good games during the season, and he will occassionally help in some playoff games. His speed and quickness will give him quite a few more years of being effective.
I think we could do better tho. But, I'm resigned to the fact that he's gonna be our PG for the foreseeable future...for good or bad.
Might as well enjoy it. Where's my hat??
The last post was right. Parker will never be traded as long as Pop is in charge.
Parker is 23!!!!!
Where was Kidd, Nash etc at 23????
Watch Tony grow in the next few years.
STOP THE HATE!!!!!
Tony is gonna be an allstar in the next few years!!
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