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Because the Spurs are winners and their teams are not.
on other boards people are actually saying K.G is better than T.D...they are pullin everything out under the sun to discredit our guys can somebody tell me WHY ALL THE HATE and WHAT DO THE SPURS HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT STOP!
Because the Spurs are winners and their teams are not.
That's a tough call. TD has had the luxury of playing with DR and the likes of Ginobli.
Can't we just say that both are great players?
I think it's a legitimate argument. If you go stats of this season kg wins. However from the limited games i've seen of kg he's not a true scorer like duncan is.
Garnett's alot like drob. He's athletic has a solid jumper get's alot of points off of putbacks and working within the offense. Duncan can go one on one in the post and usually score on anyone.
However kg is a better blocker and passer.
If kg and td swapped teams I wonder if both teams would be better, worse, or the same. You can't discredit kg because he hasn't won a le. Look at the selfish players he has and the unselfish players that td has. However it makes you wonder why billups or marbury wouldn't stay with him and have a magic-kareem situation.
Robinson was more of a mentor and a good role player durin his time wit Timmy and Im tired of all this about Duncan havin a better suppoting cast... its not his fault the Spurs have a great front office with SKILLS when it comes to scouting and puttin together a good team! Remember I dont ever recall MANU or T.Parker bein lottery picks every team in the legue had the chance to pick em up but they passed it up... on paper the T-WOLVES startin line-up has always been =or> than the spurs line-up but yet KG still gets a pass for underacheiving... why hasnt anybody ?ed his leadership? I mean the guy has been out of the first round an amazin ONE time and people have the nerve to make excuses for him while TD has one bad series and people want to say his legacy is tarnashed... it seems almost that TD and the SPURS have to play perfect basketball b/c everybody is out to get them and I just dont understand it
Ill say this, KG is a better athlete then Tim Duncan. But, I think Tim Duncan is a better basketball player!
hes just greedy i believe... i would gradly take a paycut to have some good role players if i where him... washed up spreewell and et just wont cut it
The problem with KG is he's all about KG. Just another highschool player that has no head on his shoulders. Kobe, KG, LeBron....whatever.
I'll add that since the Jordan years their has been this desire to have another MJ and 'pluck 'em' out of highschool to reap the gold. It hasn't payed off yet and all of the above would have been better off going through the NCAA, imho. Minnesota started that crap and it's justice they don't reap the rewards from it.
"The problem with KG is he's all about KG. Just another highschool player that has no head on his shoulders. Kobe, KG, LeBron....whatever."
WORD, that was sick .......and I loved it!
"I'll add that since the Jordan years their has been this desire to have another MJ and 'pluck 'em' out of highschool to reap the gold. It hasn't payed off yet and all of the above would have been better off going through the NCAA, imho. Minnesota started that crap and it's justice they don't reap the rewards from it."
You did it again ....... yes!
Excellent take.
YOUR ING RE ED!!!!!
KG took the MAXIMUM pay cut he could, idiot.
I think arguments like who is a better player is a subjective thing, and people are en led to their respective opinions. Problem with comparing individual players is that basketball is a TEAM sport.
Kevin Garnett might be better. He's likely a better athlete. It's arguable that he's a more versatile defender. He is generally regarded as a better shooter. He's at least AS FIERCE a rebounder.
Tim Duncan is a better post player. He's a better "team" defender.
But, it's hard to argue that Tim isn't more of a winner. But, again, does winning championships necessarily mean a player is "better" than another. No, because it takes a WHOLE TEAM to win a championship. Without Coach Pop, David Robinson, Sean Elliot, Mario Elie, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, could Tim have won championships? Probably not. If KG had those players and coaches, would he have won championships? Don't know.
The argument is valid, but whatever side you take, it's complete conjecture.
Tim and KG are both great basketball players. If you ask me, both are headed to the hall of fame. If you can also use winning championships as a barometer, Tim Duncan has the edge. If based on pure athletic skill and talent, KG might have it.
But, is it really worth arguing? They're both phenomenal.
Word. I'm totally confused about how KG gets these passes year after year. Barkley is the only one to have said a few words publicly about KG not getting it done, if I remember correctly.its not his fault the Spurs have a great front office with SKILLS when it comes to scouting and puttin together a good team! Remember I dont ever recall MANU or T.Parker bein lottery picks every team in the legue had the chance to pick em up but they passed it up... on paper the T-WOLVES startin line-up has always been =or> than the spurs line-up but yet KG still gets a pass for underacheiving... why hasnt anybody ?ed his leadership? I mean the guy has been out of the first round an amazin ONE time and people have the nerve to make excuses for him while TD has one bad series and people want to say his legacy is tarnashed... it seems almost that TD and the SPURS have to play perfect basketball b/c everybody is out to get them and I just dont understand it
On one hand you say it isn't tims fault for having a legitamate FO, no one is saying that. It DOES mean he has better players around him. Name me one year where the wolves had a better team on paper, this year it was supposed to be even but let me take you back two years ago. Same cast and we weren't even supposed to contend. They OVERACHIEVE last year and when spree and co start crapping out there supposed to be great, right?
Name me one starter who has excelled elsewhere. Peeler? Is he even going to be in the league next year? Do you realize how long he was our starter? Name me one guy that played tough d that played in MN? Bobby wasn't a scorer like flip wanted, same with Billups. Our best all around two guards, one dies in his prime and one has heart surgery.
it seems almost that TD and the SPURS have to play perfect basketball b/c everybody is out to get them and I just dont understand it.
Tim HARDLY played perfect this series. He tried to single handedly give away game 5. You have it backwards, KG has to play perfect. It doesn't matter to idiots like you that opposing PGs and SG's for years have had free reign to the basket. Flip insists on Zone defense. The dude could put up 50/30/10 but it wouldn't matter because the TEAM doesn't get it done.
Garnett is more phyisically talented than Duncan. Of that I have nooooooo doubt. The problem is how he approaches the game and of course, the Spurs front office and coach is 100x what the T-pups is.
Garnett has never been well coached. EVER !!! That is one player right there that would have benefited immeasurably with a coach K, for example. Instead he got those H-shiit coaches in Minnesota.
Dont' believe me ? You're saying KG had all the skills he needed from highschool to go into the NBA ?
At least Kobe got Phil Jackson and that's been what saved him and what props did he give Phil Jackson ? None. In fact Kobe single handedly dismantled a dynasty.
The diff between Kobe and Shaq....pssst...Shaq doesn't really BELIEVE what he's saying...
So being a talented player does not equal being a great player. That's why KG isn't who he could be. And that, my friends, is coaching.
Like I said, can't we call just call them great players and be done with it? Why does one have to better than the other?
The only coach he ever had was Flip.
People will find out in two years how KG made flip the big name he is now, not the other way around.
I think the only thing holding KG back is his scoring. He's not that great of a scorer. I attribute that to coaching as he never drives and dunks like he did when he came into the L. God knows hes faster than 99 percent of the PFs in the leage.
KG is the best rebounder in the league by far. I have no problem pointing out the obvious that tim is a better scorer, why is it hard for people to admit that KG is a much better rebounder?
There better versions of AK and Zach.
I'll give props to KG,
he's athletic and he gots a knack for the game but, Tim Duncan has the better basketball brain. He knows how to handle himself and his teammates and focuses on all the aspects of his game to get jobs done.
What do you mean, the only coach he ever had was Flip Saunders ? Flip was a so-so coach with no real success behind him. You're right, KG made Flip. Phil Saunders is a nobody. He's the DEFINITION of a nobody coach that did NO THING at Minnesota.
Flips bio:
Saunders came to Minnesota after seven productive seasons as a head coach in the CBA, where he ranks second with 253 career victories. He began his CBA career in 1988-89 with the Rapid City (S.D.) Thrillers, then moved to the LaCrosse (Wis.) Catbirds for five seasons (1989-94) before coaching in 1994-95 with the Sioux Falls Skyforce. He also served as general manager (1991-93) and team president (1991-94) of the Catbirds. Saunders' impressive CBA tenure included seven consecutive seasons of 30 or more victories, two CBA championships (1990, 1992), two CBA Coach of the Year honors (1989, 1992) and 23 CBA-to-NBA player promotions.
Saunders began his coaching career at Golden Valley Lutheran College where he compiled a 92-13 record, including a perfect 56-0 mark at home, in four seasons. In 1981, he became an assistant coach at his alma mater, Minnesota, and helped guide the Golden Gophers to the Big Ten championship that season. After five seasons at Minnesota, he became an assistant coach at the University of Tulsa where he worked for two seasons before heading to the pro ranks.
Saunders was an All-America basketball player at Cuyahoga Heights High School in Cleveland. In his senior season, 1973, he was named Ohio's Class A High School Basketball Player of the Year, posting a state-leading average of 32.0 points per game. At Minnesota he started 101 of his 103 career contests and as a senior teamed with McHale, the Timberwolves' vice president of basketball operations, to lead the Gophers to a school-best 24-3 record.
Like I said, KG has never been coached.
I'll add that the T-wolves are one of the wackiest organizations in the NBA, if not THE wackiest.
Flip was a friend of McHale and that's the ONLY reason he even coached a single game in the NBA. PERIOD.
No sherlock. If you'd been around the past few years actually reading you'd know i've always hated Flip with a passion.
My apologies. New here. I lived in Minnesota when they got the T-wolves and the first draft they could have had Shaq but ended up with Lightfoot...
When Flip was named the coach ...jaws dropped. On a sports level, I've never been soooooo glad to get out of a place than the Twin Cities. Easily the most sports illiterate town in the US. They are quite simply, bizarre.
Last edited by word; 06-24-2005 at 10:41 PM.
I see KG as David Robinson was back in 1995. Robinson was damn good and led the league in scoring but never had a good supporting cast except Elliot and Johnson, same with KG, good player just not good teammates. What KG needs to do is come down to S.A and win some championships. In other words he needs another big man who can score like T.D or someone almost like him.
I thought Trent Hassell is it? Thought he was supposed to be your defensive presence. And yeh, I blame the Wolves front office. They've gotten some of the biggest busts ever, overpaying for Kandi, Spree and Cassell, not to mention setting them back after they got caught with their pants on drafting that Johnson guy?? Nothing goes right for them, KG can't catch any breaks.
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