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    Now that Paul Ryan, the author of a major proposal to overhaul Medicare, is going to be on the Republican ticket, the fall presidential campaign shapes up as a battle over the federal government’s obligations to senior citizens.

    Before it begins, I hereby declare that I admire and like the elderly. My parents are elderly. I myself hope to be elderly someday, and to remain that way for a long time.

    But I do not feel sorry for the elderly as a group, and neither should you.

    In particular, you should not let an exaggerated portrayal of their economic vulnerability — the “Mediscare” campaign that Democrats have run in the past and are dusting off again — unduly affect your thinking about en lement policy.

    The fact is that older Americans are doing pretty well financially — by some measures, better than the rest of us.

    Only 9 percent of Americans older than 65 had incomes below the poverty line in 2010, according to a Census Bureau report in November. By contrast, 13.7 percent of the general population was living in poverty — including 22 percent of children younger than 18.

    The elderly poverty rate is higher under a different statistical definition designed to reflect seniors’ greater out-of-pocket medical costs, but it still remains slightly below that of the general population.

    So the elderly are holding their own with respect to income. When it comes to household wealth, too, they are doing fine.

    Last year, the Pew Charitable Trusts reported that the median net worth of households headed by an adult 65 or older rose 42 percent in real terms between 1984 and 2009, to $170,494. During the same period, median net worth for households headed by an adult younger than 35 shrank 68 percent, to $3,662.

    Seniors built this advantage partly because they had more time to amass equity in their homes. Even the real estate downturn that began in the middle of the last decade has not wiped out the older generation’s wealth advantage. In June, when noting changes in Americans’ net worth between 2005 and 2010, the Census Bureau reported that the median elderly-headed households lost 13 percent of their net worth — easily the smallest decrease of any age group.

    In fact, old age is now correlated with strong personal finances. The Federal Reserve Board reports that households headed by someone 75 or older have the highest median net worth — $216,800 — of any population cohort.

    This helps explain the findings of a recent USA Today-sponsored poll: that more than three-quarters of Americans older than 60 expect their quality of life to stay the same or improve over the next five to 10 years. Only a minority report any economic anxiety; indeed, 60 percent say it is “easy” to pay their monthly bills.

    The contentment that reigns across Older America is a tribute to Social Security, Medicare and the rest of the safety net — federal and state — for the elderly. The near-abolition of old-age des ution ranks among the great achievements of the New Deal and Great Society.

    We must never go back to the days when old age was a time of privation for the relative few who reached it. But as nightmare scenarios go, that one seems more remote than en lement-driven national bankruptcy, given the stubborn and expensive fact that the over-65 population is on track to double in the next 40 years.

    Yes, today’s seniors paid into the systems from which they are now getting benefits. But they are getting much more out: The average pre-2010 retiree got more in benefits than he or she paid in taxes. Taxes on current workers made up the difference.

    There is no shortage of plausible alternatives or fixes to today’s Medicare program. I’m not necessarily sold on Ryan’s proposal, which would offer future seniors a subsidy to buy private insurance, instead of today’s fee-for-service program. It’s embedded in a budget that also imposes sweeping and unnecessary tax cuts.

    But Ryan’s plan is a lot more comprehensive than anything President Obama has proposed. And it’s no mystery why Obama, and most other politicians, avoid specifics: Senior citizens vote at a higher rate than any other population group — 74 percent in the 2008 election. Florida is chock full of them. Politically, you can’t argue with Mediscare.

    Sooner or later, politicians are going to have to treat older voters not as potential victims but as secure and fortunate citizens, who can and should contribute their fair share to resolving the country’s fiscal predicament. In other words, to treat them as what they are.

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    who's been exaggerating them?

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    Not to mention that it misses the point entirely... it's well know the Ryan play would keep Medicare for current seniors... the issue is that we're all going to be seniors at some point, and anything resembling the current Medicare might just not be there for us.

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    and anything resembling the current Medicare might just not be there for us.
    It's not going to be there for us under any plan.

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    and there aren't any poor people, either

    -- The Heritage Foundation

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    just because they aren't as poor as certain other demographics groups doesn't mean that they aren't hurting too. the reason they aren't quite as impoverished is because they're all still working in their 70's and collecting a social security check at the same time. people shouldn't be having to work in their 70's after paying taxes their entire lives.

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    net worth mostly in home is not cash to for co-pays

    A very popular gadget with Medicare people are pill splitters

    The Repugs, led by budget fraud Ryan, and the 1% have every intention of shredding the safety net. They want to destroy SS (FDR) and Johnson's Medicare/Medicaid.


    For Many Seniors, There May Be No Retirement

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...216559438.html


    Financial exhaustion hitting seniors

    http://money.msn.com/retirement/fina...rs-usnews.aspx

    etc, etc. Plenty of articles about the 60+ set

    and now the Repugs want to raise retirement (eg, access to SS and Medicare) to 67, as if seniors were even employed after 60 or 55.

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    just because they aren't as poor as certain other demographics groups doesn't mean that they aren't hurting too. the reason they aren't quite as impoverished is because they're all still working in their 70's and collecting a social security check at the same time. people shouldn't be having to work in their 70's after paying taxes their entire lives.
    People are living a lot longer these days. Probably because of our terrible health care.

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    they were the main propellant back in 70s, 80s and 90s that drove america where it is, and they're owed a good life and pension when retired. i'd rather see government's or public funds going to these people in all sorts rather than to them damn immigrants no matter legal or illegal tbh

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    It's not going to be there for us under any plan.
    well, we'll see. I'm definitely not facilitating it.

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    77 Years After It Became Law, Social Security Keeps 20 Million Americans Out Of Poverty



    Social Security is “the single most important source of income for its elderly beneficiaries, contributing on average two-thirds of income for recipients over age 65. For more than one-third of them, Social Security cons utes 90 percent or more of income…Without Social Security, nearly half of elderly Americans would live below the official poverty level; instead, fewer than 10 percent do.”

    Conservatives — aided by a media content to misinform about the program’s finances — love scaremongering about Social Security, despite the fact that it is exceedingly easy to secure its solvency for decades to come. Any talk of cutting its benefits ignores the very real impact that it has on elderly, disabled, and young Americans.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ty-poverty-77/

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    77 Years After It Became Law, Social Security Keeps 20 Million Americans Out Of Poverty



    Social Security is “the single most important source of income for its elderly beneficiaries, contributing on average two-thirds of income for recipients over age 65. For more than one-third of them, Social Security cons utes 90 percent or more of income…Without Social Security, nearly half of elderly Americans would live below the official poverty level; instead, fewer than 10 percent do.”

    Conservatives — aided by a media content to misinform about the program’s finances — love scaremongering about Social Security, despite the fact that it is exceedingly easy to secure its solvency for decades to come. Any talk of cutting its benefits ignores the very real impact that it has on elderly, disabled, and young Americans.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ty-poverty-77/


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    People are living a lot longer these days. Probably because of our terrible health care.
    At least we don't have to live as long as people with Canada, Japan, Australia and parts of Europe's health care...


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    Their health care must be even more privatized than ours! I can only assume.

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    You are the king of posting you get from youtube and your mailing lists so this is definitely the last bit of criticism you should be levying.

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