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but isnt university courses still dirt cheap in the usa?
First, you defund public higher education.
Second, you deprofessionalize and impoverish the professors (and continue to create a surplus of underemployed and unemployed Ph.D.s)
Step #3: You move in a managerial/administrative class who take over governance of the university.
Step Four: You move in corporate culture and corporate money
Step Five Destroy the Students
http://junctrebellion.wordpress.com/...ve-easy-steps/
Seems accurate, with the UVa controversy of a couple months ago where corporate types fired the President Teresa Sullivan, and then were forced to rehire her. Although by one measure, UVa is one of the best:
http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/p...te-2012/2.html
but isnt university courses still dirt cheap in the usa?
^what?
I thought university was ing expensive as all . Even just run of the mill colleges?
If the government would stop subsidizing them as much, and they had to enroll students with supply and demand... for the costs... the cost would go down!
That makes no sense, unless you're stating education would suffer in that scenario. Would you please elaborate?
Why?
You'll just disagree with me anyway. You always find reason to disagree with me.
There are several facets of it. Without getting into detail, I would ask you to consider that first, we are graduating more students in most fields than there are jobs for. This gives employers the advantage for supply and demand and lowers wages of new hires. For some dumb reason, the universities always are able to fill the classes. Less help from the government would make it harder to fill the classes and the universities... supply and demand again... would lower the costs.
It doesn't end there.
Don't you get it? Almost anything the government gets involved in ends up costing more money. The job market doesn't need as many college graduates as we have, and it comes to a point where the menial jobs are going to college students instead of those with only high school, or even high school dropouts.
What's the point of going to college if you can only find jobs that don't require college? Many people are in that boat because the government makes it possible for almost everybody to go to college.
We need less government aid to anyone and more scholarship programs that are merit based. I would government aid should be limited to a specific GPA and above. Perhaps 3.0+.
Right now, we have too many students going into severe debt that have no means of paying for it when they graduate. this will probably never change as long as the government makes it so easy for average and below average people to get a college degree.
College is overrated.
In many job field, it is. What gets me is everyone thinks they are en led college. Imagine this country if everyone got 16 years of school. Now the good jobs would require 20 years. Where does it end?
the cost cost many private universities has risen with at the same rate as corporate executive pay or health care over the past 30 years.
A year costs $50K to $60K
They raise their tuition just because they can.
The average grad carries about $35K in debt. The avg doctor carries a lot more.
In the 1% cruelty, the Repugs want to kill Pell grants for poor people.
"Almost anything the government gets involved in ends up costing more money."
Except the big one, health care. Costs less, happier patients than for-profit insurers. Repug corporate welfare Medicare Advantage cost 12% more than govt Medicare. MUST be killed, not just reduced
dubya privatized students loans as a huge $100Ms/year gift to banks. Private gain, public risk (and there's a lot of students defaulting on the govt-insured loans, banks lose nothing).
Here's what some PUBLIC colleges cost:
http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/p.../1.html?cid=32
Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-20-2012 at 05:18 AM.
Can you support that contention? I think not. I have never heard of repiblicans or conservatives wanting to get rid of them. Just increase the criteria.
Pell grants should only be given to students with above average grades. At least not to the bottom 50%. Why waste money on someone who won't be able to use the degree afterwards?
Ryan's plan, which Gecko says is essentially identical to his own:
"According to an analysis by the Education Trust that was provided to the Huffington Post, the House Republican budget would ultimately knock more than one million students off of Pell Grants entirely:
More than 1 million students would lose Pell grants entirely over the next 10 years under Rep. Paul Ryans budget, according to an analysis that the national reform organization Education Trust provided to The Huffington Post.
And by the looks of it, the Ryan budget, which is slated to hit the House floor this week, would hit the poorest kids hardest. [...]
The budget would cut Pell grant eligibility for students who attend classes on a less-than-halftime schedule which usually means low-income students who need to work their way through college.
And it gets worse. Sixty percent of students who receive Pell grants also take out loans twice the rate for college students overall so they might be doubly hit by the Ryan cuts: In addition to receiving less Pell money, they would have to start paying interest on their loans while still in school."
http://thinkprogress.org/education/2...n-pell-grants/
some people used to work their way through college, but working for $10/hour, or usually less, full-time, that's $20K/year, but what college student works a job 40 hours/week?
Repugs had twice passed House budgets that hard poor people of all ages.
After WWII, going to college on the GI Bill was quite common, since the wealthy were paying 90% marginal tax rate and ALL taxpayers were paying higher than now. Today's military assistance for college doesn't enable people to pay for college, and the 1% are paying 15% or less tax.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 08-20-2012 at 08:56 AM.
Ryan was opposed to holding college loan rates low (another gift to the bankers, sucking money out of students' pockets)
Repugs IN GENERAL offer NOTHING but pain to the 99%, while protecting/enriching the 1% and corporations.
aussies dont know..their gov pays for their uni and gives them a living allowance.
right now, my US federal loan rates are higher than private variable rates. what the is going on? i could end up close to 100k in debt before it's all said and done.
"100k in debt"
debt is how the financial sector enCHAINS people to servitude and abuse.
And student loan debt is inescapable. have a medical catastrophe, declare bankruptcy, but student debt is still with you.
It's voluntary servitude. They sign up for it. Nobody is putting a gun to their head.
Question for anyone willing to answer.....do you plan on persuading your children to go to college? I have 17 1/2 years to think about this one, but right now, I'm leaning towards no.
Put $50 to $100 a month in a mutual fund for collage.
$100/mo at an average interest rate of 3% above inflation would be almost $28K in 17-1/2 years in today's dollars.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-20-2012 at 07:01 AM.
if you want your child to go to a texas public school
http://www.tgtp.org/
Only if they have the drive to be top 5%. When my son told me he wanted to be an attorney I told him I knew a load of broke attorneys and if he REALLY wanted to make it he needed to bust his ass as an undergrad, kill the LSAT, and get into a top 5 law school...just graduating from St. Mary's in the top half of the class just guaranteed him a job doing menial clerical type law.
proud father right here
http://averagelawyersalary.net/TX/1/.../Lawyer-Salary
The old rap on St Mary's Law was that they taught to the bar exam, not the law. Don't know if that's still true.
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