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Buss might have literally been killed in the streets if he traded Kobe without getting Dirk.
Was listening to a great Cuban interview on 103.3 ESPN (Ben & Skin)Dallas some highlights:
1. Cuban: I'm angry with JKidd and right now he would not have his jersey placed in the rafters. Kidd had already told him the morning that he was coming back to Dallas. And that when he changed his mind he felt let down by Jason. He went as far as to say that Derek Harper will get his jersey first and he is 50/50 on Harper.
2. Says Tyson would of never been signed for Damp's expiring if his deal was not expiring the following year.
3. Says there was plenty of debate on DWilliams before they made him plan A in Free agency. Once they went forward they were dissapointed, but Cuban thinks that a Dirk/Dwill pairing would of been limited because they could not add another star with the salary Deron would of commanded. Cubes says he feels part of the reason he chose Brooklyn, was williams knew that too. Says though he was not able be at the sales pitch for Dwill he was texting the whole time. He also says that this team Dirk/OJ/DC could be better than they would be with Williams
4. Says he did confront Lamar, in front of the team before his realease ...but he (nor Lamar) never discussed salary. There was rumors floating around about the tone of that discussion
5. Says one of his regrets was firing his team psychatrist per Avery's request before the 67 win season. He feels they win the le that year.
6. Says that he had an agreement in principle (with Dr. Buss) to bring Kobe to Dallas that did NOT include Dirk. Says that Mitch convincing Kobe he would right the ship was the reason why the trade never was completed.
7. He says he is glad that Dirk finally got his "taste" in women in order. And that his reception was amazing. They rented out a warehouse in Fairpark.
A couple observations. He can be an ass, but I love Cuban as an owner. How many owners would be so open about so many subjects? I still think he made a mistake not defending his le, but what a salesman. At the very least if you are a Mavs fan that the franchise is in good hands. I know there arent that many Mav fans here anymore, but a great interview would recommend listening to the podcast for ANY NBA fan. Im sure some of it was spin and sales but very interesting and entertaining. after this and his smack of Skip Bayless Cuban has definitely moved up some notches.
Buss might have literally been killed in the streets if he traded Kobe without getting Dirk.
Nice thanks for posting.
I can't believe he had a trade in place to bring Kobe to Dallas. That would have been nasty to have Kobe with Dirk. Mitch saves the day apparently (but you never know what they would have gotten back - but safe to assume they would have fallen on tough times).
Him being mad at JKidd is a joke. There is nothing set in stone and if anyone should be mad, it should be his players because he blew up a championship team for no reason.
This interview confirms a few things:
1) Triple D Dynasty was never a possibility. The Mavs never had the money to add two players like Dwill & Dwight. Anyone who said otherwise was wrong and for whatever reason chose to ignore that fact. Cubes saying they can be better off with Collison/OJ may be correct, but comes off as trying to sell a ketchup popsicle.
2) The main reason they traded for Tyson was because he was an expiring contract. This goes in line with what I thought - it was purely accidental that he fit so well and that they ended up keeping him. It was a smart move obviously because it extended their trade asset & he could come off the books if they couldn't move him. Plus, if he actually worked out basketball-wise...well we all saw how that ended.
Not surprising that he confronted Lamar - there were a lot of rumors about that so you knew something was going on (if him being sent home didn't tell you).
A small part of me died right now.
Jason Kidd was a s of himself in Dallas. To retire his number would be to overstate his value to the Mavs championship.
I cant believe how much we agree on certain things, here despite our battles from time to time ...I thnk we have some things in common.
1. I agree whole-heartedly on the sales job. Ben & Skin said they had been begging for weeks (they joked as though it was cuban begging) for Mark to explain why he did what he did and how he felt now that the 3D was dead. I give them credit even as Mavs homers they asked point blank if the Mavs plan and/or if the CBA failed to achieve it's objectives. Of course he said no they did not fail because they stuck to their plan of flexibilty and getting younger. Obviously the guy is VERY successful at making money and he is smart. I just think he outsmarted himself. Take guts to stick to a plan that will be unpopular ...but a le shot is so rare NO ONE not even a billionaire salesman will convince me they made the right choice.
2. Triple D I think was possible in theory only because they would of moved some more contracts and pitched taking a little less if BOTH guys would of agreed. Problem is (though I love Dallas) you take a little less for Miami, NY or L.A. no one (Mega star) has shown a willingness to do that for Dallas yet. So until they do ... tough to envision a triple D type scenario panning out. Dwill is from here (The Colony) and he did not come.
3. As far as Kidd of course he can be upset, just like the fans were at the break-up. He said he had gotten Kidd's verbal agreement that morning, took his kids to a museum. He said Kidd called to tell him (he assumes he let the call go to voicemail) he rescinded ...but he felt that Kidd was wrong. Cuban is a business man, plenty get upset when verbal agreements are broken, but you are right that does happen and Cuban knows it.
Even if they moved contracts (because by that logic, Cuban could have moved those same contracts if he signed Dwill to what he commanded and added to Dirk/Dwill - Cuban clearly states it was not possible to give Dwill what he wanted and add to that), they still couldn't do Dwight/Deron.
Anything is "possible", but it was so far fetched due to the amount of work it would take to not only dump their contracts, but they would have had to sold Dwight/Deron on taking a lot less. Not just a little, a lot. So while it was "te ally possible" for them to do it, it's also technically possible for me to make the Spurs as the starting point guard. Just not likely at all
Not arguing with you, just telling you what he said and his logic behind it ...Even if they moved contracts (because by that logic, Cuban could have moved those same contracts if he signed Dwill to what he commanded and added to Dirk/Dwill - Cuban clearly states it was not possible to give Dwill what he wanted and add to that), they still couldn't do Dwight/Deron.
Anything is "possible", but it was so far fetched due to the amount of work it would take to not only dump their contracts, but they would have had to sold Dwight/Deron on taking a lot less. Not just a little, a lot. So while it was "te ally possible" for them to do it, it's also technically possible for me to make the Spurs as the starting point guard. Just not likely at all
agreed, they would've lucked out on a championship that last year with him or devin harris at the reigns. i don't believe he made a world of difference and i still stand and say that the kidd/harris trade was an idiotic move
ROFL as opposed to all those loyal Lakers fans that jumped ship here after the past 2 seasons?
Cuban is a rich ing asshole. Nothing new here.
WTF was Kupchack about to trade Bryant for? Devin Harris and Josh Howard? That would have been comedy, but Kobe would have been a great sidekick for Dirk.
Easy, there Mono ...that was NOT a knock
He never gave details on players except that Dirk was not involved, because they asked. When I was in L.A. rumors were it was a 3 team deal. I forget the rumored deal but Bulls were also trying to put one togther as well and maybe I have it mixed up.
But Im so glad Mitch is our GM, owners even great ones like Buss can make some dumb decisions ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 08-21-2012 at 02:46 PM.
Kobe side-kick to dirk ...
Kobe coming to Dallas with Dirk still remaining isn't anything new actually.
In other news, Jason Terry thinks his Mavs jersey should be retired.
I do think Dirk would have deferred to Kobe, but let's not act as if Kobe has never been a side kick to a big.Kobe side-kick to dirk ...
It probably should, as he was an enormous part of them winning the west in 06 and the le in 11. Outside of Nowitzki, he's the person you think most of when talking about the Dallas Mavericks: even more than Mark Aguirre, Rolando Blackman, Derek Harper, etc.
please
Numbers dont lie dawg.
please
Never said it was new. I heard PLENTY of rumors, never heard that a deal was struck. In fact, the La media was playing it as though a deal with the Bulls for Deng was the direction we we were leaning. In fact, part of what was being reported (remember Kobe had trade veto) was that Bryant would agree to go to the Bulls but did not think Chicago minus Deng was much better than the first-round fodder team he was leaving.
so for me, hearing Cuban and Buss had agreed to terms was enlightening. If i listened to the Dallas media Lebron, Dwight and Dwill would of all been Lakers at one point or another and you would of pulled off all those deals holding on to Dirk.
I think venti was just referring to the time Kobe tried to take over against Detroit instead of feeding Shaq. It was more like Kobe's at ude of 'fuk my bigman, clown'.
Kobe was like "why do I need to feed Shaq more, he's already fat"
Kobe's play in the 2004 Finals was pretty ridiculous. I dont pretend to know why he did what he did, he had A lot going on with the trial, Karl Malone hitting on his wife, the Shaq feud and the media storm. What I saw as Lakers fan who has seen at LEAST 75% of his games is he took the Tayshaun is a "Kobe stopper" way too personal. He was defended by a dude with a 7 foot wing span but still hoisting fall-away 20 footers. I dont deny being a kobe fan (but my team comes first) But when he takes things like that personal, he loses sight of how much he hates to lose and what is best for his team. The guy is an amazing player top 5 of guys I HAVE seen ...but he makes things too hard on himself.
Shaq did have a great series, but was a ty leader from the first day of camp. PJ also deserves blame for letting their feud spiral out of control. 2003 and 2004 were some of the most talented but are two of the Laker teams I hate the most. Kobe, shaq and to a lessor degree Phil ruined that season.
Side note: Phil did a horrible job of encompassing GP to the team. He did not adjust the triangle enough and stayed loyal to Fisher undermining Payton as a leader. No one mentions that.
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