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    Vote for the Guy You Disagree With

    by Justin Fox | 11:00 AM September 6, 2012



    There's a case to be made (and, in fact, it has been made) that, if what you think the U.S. economy needs is more fiscal and monetary stimulus, you should vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in November (or, if you're not a U.S. citizen, pray for a Romney/Ryan victory). This is despite the fact that Romney and Ryan say they're against fiscal stimulus, and the Republican Party platform calls for a return to the gold standard (the opposite of monetary stimulus). The reasoning is pretty simple: the likely Republican majority in the House and the possible Republican majority in the Senate will work against any attempt by President Obama to stimulate the economy — or do much of anything else, for that matter. Whereas if Romney moves into the White House, Republican lawmakers will cut him slack and the Democrats will too if he pushes policies that they wanted in the first place. A similar if less-stark dynamic could play out on the monetary-policy Federal Open Market Committee, where inflation hawks with Republican leanings would discover they weren't so hawkish after all.


    What I hadn't really thought of, until I read conservative scholar Nicholas Eberstadt's epic essay on en lements, "A Nation of Takers" (it was excerpted in the Wall Street Journal on Saturday, but you want to read the whole thing) is that you could just as easily make the opposite argument. If you think what the nation needs above all is austerity and en lement reform — meaning en lement cutbacks — you're likelier to get your way in a second Obama administration than under Romney/Ryan. Here's Eberstadt:
    [T]he growth of en lement spending over the past half century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, to be sure, the growth of en lement spending was exponential — but in any given calendar year, it was on the whole roughly 8 percent higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.
    What's more, federal budget deficits have over the past century generally grown under Republican administrations and shrunk under Democrats. And for whatever it's worth, the stock market usually does better under Democrats than Republicans.


    What is one to make of all this?


    It could be random chance. As I've written before, presidents' impact on short-term economic performance is probably much less than it's usually made out to be.


    It could also be the result of the strange political equations that the U.S. system of separating executive from legislative power sets up. Winning the presidency doesn't mean you get to set the agenda for your entire time in office; you may never have a legislative majority, and midterm elections often revitalize your opposition. So knowing which party occupies the White House often doesn't tell us all that much about where the power to make economic policy lies.


    In the case of en lement spending, there's also the interesting development that en lement recipients in the U.S. now skew old and rural, and so does the Republican base. The convoluted campaign debate over who's going to cut Medicare, the medical-insurance program for the elderly, and who's going to save it, should give some indication that's there's no clear divide between Democrats supporting en lements and Republicans opposing them.


    Finally, there's the basic psychological and philosophical truth that, as economist John Kay puts it, "complex goals are best achieved indirectly." People have no idea what will actually make them happy, city planners build dull cities, and companies that focus on maximizing shareholder return underperform those with different goals. So voting for the candidate whose campaign statements you agree with may get you the opposite outcome of what you want.
    http://blogs.hbr.org/fox/2012/09/the...e-case-to.html

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    In current political discourse, it is common to think of the Democrats as the party of en lements—but long-term trends seem to tell a somewhat different tale. From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of en lement spending over the past half century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, to be sure, the growth of en lement spending was exponential—but in any given calendar year, it was on the whole roughly 8 percent higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat. This is in keeping with the basic facts of the time: notwithstanding the criticisms of “big government” that emanated from their Oval Offices from time to time, the Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and George W. Bush administrations presided over especially lavish expansions of the American en lement state. Irrespective of the reputations and the rhetoric of the Democratic and Republican parties today, the empirical correspondence between Republican presidencies and turbocharged en lement expenditures should underscore the unsettling truth that both political parties have, on the whole, been working together in an often unspoken consensus to fuel the explosion of en lement spending in modern America.
    http://www.templetonpress.org/nation-takers

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    "Republican majority in the Senate will work against any attempt by President Obama to stimulate the economy"

    Repugs, majority or minority, will OBSTRUCT __ANY__ Obama/Dem initiatives, DENY them any success, and if those fail, defund/GUT any policies that actually get to the law, rule, or regulation stage.

    The Repugs are now blatantly, undeniably, irremediably the party of extremism, blind ideology, "Christian" morals imposition, and pure BAD FAITH.

    All Politics, All The Time (and actual governance? They don't GAF)
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    whereas Democrats will accede to whatever social spending the GOP proposes to shore up it aging, white base.

    ergo, if you want more social spending and en lements, vote for the GOP this November.

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    GOP obstruction of Obama, OTOH, makes Obama the clear pick for austerity and smaller government.

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    GOP obstruction of Obama, OTOH, makes Obama the clear pick for austerity and smaller government.
    could persuade my vote in this ideological (in practice) tossup...

    although it does allow both sides enough room to blame the other, point out bogeyman, etc....that it perpetuates the current state of things....

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    How about instead of all this strategy bull , which was invented to keep the corrupt elites in power by guilting and overwhelming voters, we all just vote our conscience? Is that so hard?

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    What if I don't want more social spending and en lements nor do I want austerity (ala what we're seeing in the UK), but a balanced plan to deal with the medium and long term deficit issues.

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    "our conscience"

    which candidate satisfy your conscience? Is your conscience trustworthy?

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    "our conscience"

    which candidate satisfy your conscience? Is your conscience trustworthy?
    Are you really this dense? "Voting your conscience" means voting for who you actually want in office, as opposed to the usual "a vote for Third-Party Candidate X is a vote for Republican/Democrat Y," or "Republican/Democrat X blows chunks, but we must unite around them to keep Democrat/Republican Y from winning" bull , tbh....

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    How about instead of all this strategy bull , which was invented to keep the corrupt elites in power by guilting and overwhelming voters, we all just vote our conscience? Is that so hard?

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